Every day I feel getting closer and closer to adventure-time Liberals don’t want real liberation for palestine. They have a fetish for defeat. I literally cannot have half a conversation with anyone above the age of 30 without racist chauvinism or hearing them justify imperialism.

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    “With violence.” Sorry but is your dad like dumb? They hurt a boat? Okay?

    Actually tbqh the best way to go with these people is just full on Mao glowing eyes WE ARE A PAPER TIGER, FATHER posting. Destroy Your Father With Facts And Logic By EXPLAINING Trading Expensive US Missiles For Ansarallah Missiles Accomplishes Nothing

    at least not any more than trading air defense for the drones and shit

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    “There is a lid on the western mainstream media in a way it has NEVER been before… ‘Today there is no “crack in the wall”…’ 10% is empirically true, 20% is fake - narratives, 70%, and it is the most important part, is omitted news.” Jan Oberg (17 August 2021)

    That 70% includes the difference between indiscriminate attacks on shipping and the targeted blockade of Israel. He probably doesn’t even know Ansar Allah is in de facto control of Yemen. He probably won’t give a shit anyways.

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      I love that quote, never seen it before.

      My father and I were actually arguing for over two and a half hours straight. As you can expect, with him lazily going through narratives from the NED, Amnesty International, “human nature,” and “authoritarianism.” All the while blaming Russians for Amerika’s racism, praising the democratic establishment, and defending the first gulf war. We hung up after he conceded on the gulf war.

      I don’t think their is a single family member of mine (other than like, my cousin) that doesn’t deserve the wall.

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        Family can be frustrating as hell. My own dad seems to expect there will be some point where everyone just realizes they need to “stop being greedy” – with nothing precipitating that. He hates the idea that systemic changes will have to precede mass behavioral changes. He’ll concede that China is getting results, but believes that it’s going about it the wrong way and is thus no better than the US.

        However, people don’t deserve “walls” simply for regurgitating what’s in their media environment. My dad and your dad may say some silly things – that’s unfortunate, but not surprising given the circumstances. What matters is how they act, how they treat people day to day.

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      quote predates the Ukraine crisis of 2022 as well, in which the western media wall was shored up even tighter. Now it’s 5% empirically true things, 45% fake narratives and 50% omitted news and the omitted news is also censored and illegal in your country.

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    Liberal justice for Palestine is kneeling in kuffiyeh while they all get slaughtered, and apologizing for being complicit in the genocide 50 years from now in a letter released Super Bowl Sunday

  • I mean, to be fair, this may be different in context and you know your father much better than me, but this just seems like a statement of fact. “Look, I support Palestine, but it is totally expected that the Amerikkkan Empire would respond with violence if someone messes with their trade. The U.S. has no moral qualms and resorts to violence easily.”

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    ask him for his opinions on the two drowned SEALs off the coast of Somalia, and if he responds with anything other than “good”, ask him what they were doing there and why would it be justified

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    Yemen has been bombed by the Americans for more than 10 years. They killed hundreds of thousands. The Americans attacked with violence and they deserve retaliation.

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    Oh god oh fuck they’re using violence to resist a genocide! How HORRIBLE! (ignore the fact they have killed literally nobody while taking these vessels)

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    Both my parents are Berners but after Biden stole the primary I started fighting with them all the time because they supported Biden but I couldn’t. We stopped talking just over a year ago. I sometimes check my dad’s twitter account. It’s either all apolitical or TDS-type nonsense.

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    I mean you’re dad is right, but for all the wrong reasons. I’m not surprised the Houthis got bombed either. I’ve been predicting that it would happen for months now. Not because the Houthis deserved to get bombed for “attacking with violence” or anything like that, but because it’s perfectly in character for the evil US empire to bomb first and ask questions later, if at all. Bombing the Middle East is the bread and butter of US foreign policy in the 21st century. Doing so to stop a blockade against Israel, so Israel can keep carrying out genocide against the Palestinians instead of telling Israel to stand down, is exactly what I would have predicted the USA and NATO to do.