• bdonvr@thelemmy.club
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    10 months ago

    If these are the only two options in our current system

    1.) god help us

    2.) let’s tear down the system

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      It’s the only two options in the system because the American people are not as left-wing as your average fucking Lemmy user.

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        Even as someone far more right than the average lemmy user, an 80 year old and an almost 80 year old being the only two options is absurd.

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              Yes, really. Fuck’s sake. What, you think Trump is using his entire net worth of negative 500 million to bribe a massive group of actors sworn to secrecy and change all the GOP primary outcomes in his favor?

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                No. I wasn’t even referring to primaries.

                But it’s not a system propped up by the voters when the system is specifically designed to favor two options and make voting a third option hard or undesirable despite said third option being better representative of your values.

                I hardly doubt a majority of people would like eother Biden or Trump, they just vote the one who they don’t want to lose to the other.

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                  What third option is better representative of the majority or even a plurality of the views of the American people?

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                    Having more than 2 parties in itself is more representative.

                    Believe it or not in healthy democracies no party represents more than half the population and governments are formed via coalitions, that’s because people are very diverse in opinions and beliefs and you can’t group them all in one or two parties.

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          Yeah. God help us. But tearing down the system, while temporarily satisfying as millions die, will not be the solution we want it to be. What emerges will have the exact same problem as long as it is democratic and the American electorate is not changed.

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      Unless class conciousness forms in America tearing the system down would result in a mad max hell scape and probably the end of of the human race because of the acceleration to climate change.

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        If anything climate change would decelerate from the collapse of the system though. I mean, you saw that air quality, pollution indexes, etc have all improved during the lockdowns right? There’s a reason pollution is used to measure how the economy is doing in countries that aren’t honest about it (where usually less emissions = worse economy)

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      Don’t need to throw out the whole system. Even just ranked choice voting and getting rid of the electoral college would massively improve the quality of our representation.