• SolanumChillEse@lemmy.world
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    When was the last time China invaded anyone? Including China here is a baseless equivocation and basically yellow scare nonsense.

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        Tibet, Taiwan, Hong Kong… Vietnam back in the day. Something still going on with India’s border?

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        It is a term used to describe racists, yes. Which the vast majority of China fear-mongering is deeply rooted in.

        Nukes are the reason they’re the same? India, Israel, North Korea, and Pakistan also have nukes.

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          Let’s use racism to describe racists? Seems reasonable

          I knew you’d use the “other countries have nukes too” statement. Well, other countries aren’t as hostile as China is, except North Korea, but are you going to tell me it doesn’t get the China treatment? Lol. Israel is basically an extension of NATO at this point, Pakistan isn’t viewed favourably at all and India isn’t particularly hostile

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      1. China is a superpower, nuke-holder
      2. China failed and still fails to condemn russia’s actions and still see russia as their partner.
      3. Communist countries stick together
      4. China is the only superpower not involved with the current war that remains aggressive towards NATO/US
      5. China has now completely took over Hong-Kong
      6. And they’re openly planning to do the same with Taiwan.

      All these 6 combined is why china is worthy being next to russia in this meme.

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          Let’s not call Russia communist either lol. People who think that communism is still a threat in '23 are stuck in their cold war dystopianism.

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            Good marketing, like “Democratic People’s Republic of Korea”

            And both in practice something totally else

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              Can you name a communist country that is radically different than china?

              Because I can name 20 different democratic countries that are radically different than north korea, in turn not changing the meaning of “democracy”.

              An outlier doesn’t mean the word changed its meaning.

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                I would argue that China has implemented a one-party fascist system, as the major ideal of communism is the economic side. They have embraced capitalism, be it under the shadow of the authoritarian government, it is capitalism none the less…

                From my understanding, this is different then communist states such as Cuba and North Korea, as the large majority of their means of production are still 100% state owned.

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                It’s more like it’s impossible to name how China could be communist. They’d need a revolution or something

                I’d bet it’s not the first on the list to have it’s people take power

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                  I’m saying that china + soviet union has defined and continue to define what communism is. It’s a word that’s tainted forever.

                  Just like, for example, Christianity is defined by modern Christians.

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                    They define the cultural idea of communism

                    I hate being “that guy” tm but

                    The Soviet Union only briefly played with the idea of communism before committing to a single party socialist Republic. Modern day Russia is an autocratic dictatorship hiding in a Trenchcoat with “democracy” written on it.

                    China is again, a one party state which is, in truth, a Republic. China’s historical dances with “communism” are rather similar to that of the USSR wherein an offshoot of marxist-leninism was implemented, modified and then used, ultimately landing closer… Again to a socialist Republic and now being effectively an autocratic dictatorship hiding in a Trenchcoat… Etc. Etc.

                    Neither country in my opinion ever reached the illusory “true communism”. Maybe the west is right and it’s a failed ideology, maybe “it just hasn’t had the right leader yet” but ultimately, I believe most political ideologies have good bits that we can take notes on to improve the lives of others.

                    I apologize for any historical or political inaccuracies, wrote this with knowledge from the best of my memory while on the toilet at work

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                    I’d trust communists more to define what it is. Even nazis used the word socialism, so it’s understandable that Soviet Union and China would follow the practice. We wouldn’t believe a used car salesperson selling a Lada as a Lamborghini

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      Why do you feel the need to defend China? They could have put any powerful country in there really, but there aren’t many left when you have NATO and Russia already

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      Do we count EEZ encroachments in the Pacific? Only reason why China isn’t as militarily adventurous as Russia right now, is because they know they’re not ready yet. Not really yellow scare nonsense when China itself (Republic of) is concerned about this.

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        Do we count disputes over territorial waters as the same as war? Are you actually serious with this question?

        The Spratly Islands are China’s Afghanistan?

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          It would be a bit more serious if the territories they claimed were Japanese, but they’re not. China’s not going to pick that fight, because they know they won’t win. China has picked regions guarded by nations that have ships such as these guarding their territories.