“Its not racism its history” yeah, a history of racism.
“It was about states rights!” Yeah, the state’s rights to own slaves.
“It’s a part of our past” yeah, part of our past of being absolute monsters.
“I am still proud of my heritage” I guess you need to have your ass beat into the ground AGAIN, then.
Saving this comment because they are the perfect response to those ignorant excuses.
“I am still proud of my heritage.”
Your “heritage” lasted less than five years.
Your heritage is being a traitor and enemy of the US. So I guess you can’t go around yelling 'MURICA anymore.
What I find particularly interesting is that the Confederacy only existed for 4 years, meaning to run around with an Obama flag would more historically relevant than this shit.
I also like how people do it in Northern states. I live in Indiana and I see the Stars and Bars all the time. Sometimes with the Indiana state flag. The fools don’t even know what side we were on.
It’s all over in WV. The state that seceded from the Confederacy. And then when confronted they say it’s their heritage.
Mother fucker, what heritage?
Racism. that’s it. ‘Heritage’ is code for racism and ‘family values’ is code for heterosexism
They’re proud of more things than just racism. Like poverty
It’s a good thing they are great at being sneaky, otherwise we wouldn’t be able to figure it out almost instantaneously…
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1000%. We elected a coal baron to governor and he’s planning to run for house or senate next, likely to win.
The culture here is fucked. They’ll fly the flag their grandfather’s died to fight against, they’ll vote for people their grandfather’s died to oppose, and they’ll condemn education their father’s worked to provide for them, all under the guise of “dems want to take my guns and make my kids trans”.
Heritage of power
What do you mean?
White
Dude, they have people flying them in Canada. I don’t think there’s much common sense in the folks who publicly display it.
It’s a rebellious symbol. If talking heads said the flag of Kazakhstan was evil and we should all hate anyone who has one, it would have been that.
I once asked a guy why he would fly a Confederate flag in Canada and he said, “If you have to ask you wouldn’t understand.”
I guess he was right. I don’t understand.
Bruh ive seen this shit in CANADA!!! like my guy, we beat them well before the damn civil war, we were event THERE!!!
Some idiots even use it in Europe and Australia,
I thought that was a nickname for the regular flag. TIL
“Old Glory”
So THAT’S why you have to throw it out the minute it gets damaged! To avoid Glory holes!
I see it on Ohio too. Go ask someone from the south if Ohio has Yankees or not
I’ve been in fucking college longer than a whole ass country existed LMAO
I imagine it’s much like the pride flag, where people make it their whole personality. I fully expect people to be brandishing some form of pride flag in 150 years, though it will probably look even more silly by then.
It’s amusing to me listening to an American talking about people making flags their personality.
This is coming from a country where you can get an american flag on anything you want.
I moved to the US and it still weirds me out how many flags i see in a day
flying a flag is like passive support for/resistance against something.
it’s easy virtue signaling, basically
This is coming from a country where you can get an american flag on anything you want.
Which, incidentally, is a violation of U.S. flag code. So much for patriotism.
Idk if the Pride flag, something that inherently describes a large part of a person’s identity and is a sign of community, is equatable to the Confederate flag.
It is part of no one’s identity; no one alive was part of the confederacy. No one alive has parents in the confederacy. It is a sign of the Confederate States and their secession from the US over owning slaves; it is a sign of racism.
It has been a little sad watching the evolution of the Pride flag, because the adoption of the rainbow symbol was meant to show that everyone was included. Now the newest versions just show how eager we are to subdivide ourselves, which has made it easier for the conservatives to roll back on the gains the movement made in the 00’s.
I am facinated by what you call subdivison i see as recognition. Thats a very interesting coin were looking at.
I would say to avoid separation and alienation within the community we all have to work for intersectionality and communal empathy.
I am facinated by what you call subdivison i see as recognition. Thats a very interesting coin were looking at.
I was active in politicking for gay rights back in the 00’s, and back then the word “gay” was synonymous with “queer”. It meant everyone. The rainbow flag was the same way. Now the average person has no way of understanding the terminology or symbolism various factions use within the broader queer community, and it’s made it easier to alienate certain populations (trans people being the very visible example right now). There’s simply no unity because the various communities have willfully subdivided.
I’m not an activist anymore (mental illness makes it too hard) but the queer community really, really needs to unite and recognize the greater threat of resurgent fascism, in my opinion. That’s harder to do when people have subdivided themselves and the various factions can’t come together to fight the real enemy.
I’ll take “Tell me you were never actually an ally without telling me you were never an ally” for $100 Alex.
The flag was updated to include more folks who are oppressed as a minority. Anyone who is a target due to things like their sexuality, gender, disabilities, skin color, or other inherent traits belongs in it. The whole point is to band together because the groups in it are small and vulnerable. The fact that the updated flag bothers you and you’re willing to complain about it really speaks volumes to how much and why it matters to you.
I’ll take “Tell me you were never actually an ally without telling me you were never an ally” for $100 Alex.
This gatekeeping is exactly what they’re lamenting. Alienating people who have been fighting for equal rights for decades because they’re not pure enough is why the culture is turning.
They said they supported gays and are saying the new flag is divisive, despite it being more inclusive. The rainbow flag was not really representative for everyone, as it was predominately associated with gay men and lesbians, and was updated to try and include others in the LGBTQIA+ community that weren’t getting enough (or any!) representation. I’m calling out their signalling that they are an ally while they also claim that one of the problems with the community is that it is somehow more divisive, despite being more accepting and broader than ever before.
I find that being gatekept would mean that I don’t allow someone to be part of the community, and in a way I did do that. I’ll admit that part of my response was rude and probably uncalled for. This whole comment section is full of apologists for the confederate flag, and in my first reading I might have taken their intent more harshly than they meant. I’m sorry about that. I did not mean to gatekeep and in the future I’ll be more careful to not rebuke those who seem to mean well, even if I am hurt or concerned by what they said.
I still feel that focusing on the updated flag and how it may be seen as divisive is not very productive or helpful to the overall community, and overall the LGBTQIA+ community fights fascism at every turn. Having these tough conversations about marginalized groups and how they can be better represented is what helped spur the community to adopt the updated flags, regardless of opinions on it. Because, at the end of the day, it is a bunch of smaller groups banding together to protect one another. Flying the rainbow flag, progress, or updated progress w/ intersex are all valid ways to show support and raise awareness. I feel that way even in regards to flags representing smaller subsets, such as the lesbian, trans, or asexual flags.
100% agree with you on this.
Things change. Part of being progressive is accepting that. When politicking for said rights in the 00s, people weren’t trying to take away anyone’s rights, we were trying to grant them, such as letting LGBT people be in the military and get married to those of the same gender. The fight now is to keep those and other rights. And if that includes recognition and inclusion to help normalize things, good. It should. Stop being a dinosaur.
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Its not about it being their personality its the fact that being gay and out IS a form of defiance and existence IS a crime. People in the US are still killing people for being gay. im not even gonnna bring up the countries that are LITEREALLY sending people to death by law for being gay imagine being persecuted for being who you are born. Existing can become a death sentence, so you fight for your right to have peace of mind for you and your community to just live.
Its a fight for live, not a personality trait.
I’ve had people try to incite hate against me for being supposedly gay, which is kind of strange since I’m not. I could feel the disgust and viciousness, and this was from a supposedly super-liberal woman who claims to be bi herself. Irony is both of her kids turned out to be gay, ha. Anyway, some people really do want to kill you. It’s insane.
I grew up with men saying that lesbians just needed a good f*****g and they would get in line. My aunt is gay so it was VERY confusing because these men knew that.
Her life was very much surrpunded by “the gay are disgusting but not you, youre a good gay” 🙄
I don’t understand German but it doesn’t mean the language scares me or that I want to ban it.
why pick on the German language? why not Swahili, Portuguese, or Tamil?
I chose one of the 7000+ that are used.
Would you like to add to this conversion or just focus on something inconsequential?
and then tell everyone else about it, like vegans
What I find particularly interesting is that the Confederacy only existed for 4 years, meaning to run around with an Obama flag would more historically relevant than this shit.
“Historically relevant” or “historically significant” is really tricky thing to judge sometimes. While Obama’s 2 terms as president meant he was in charge for 8 years vs the Confederacy’s 4, I believe the Confederacy and the US Civil War they caused was more historically relevant than Obama’s 8 years as president.
There’s a whole lot of nasty from the war and immediate fall out we’re seeing feeling today.
one could argue that the prelude to the civil war started before independence, since the Quakers were anti-slavery. even disregarding that, fighting was occuring over slavery for decades prior to the formation of the Confederacy - the famous bit at the tail end of that, “bleeding Kansas”, occured in the early 1850s.
a mere 4 or 8 year length of time is largely inconsequential.
one could argue that the prelude to the civil war started before independence, since the Quakers were anti-slavery. even disregarding that, fighting was occuring over slavery for decades prior to the formation of the Confederacy - the famous bit at the tail end of that, “bleeding Kansas”, occured in the early 1850s.
a mere 4 or 8 year length of time is largely inconsequential.
The US Civil War is more significant than just the penultimate legal question on slavery. It also set the tone for politics for the next 50 years, completely destroyed the population and economy of nearly half the country, and paved the road for some of the most important Amendments to the US Constitution.
Plus the advances in war time technologies, tactics, and medicine weren’t too shabby.
There’s a reason the same people that fly the confederate flag fly a Trump flag. They like things that last a few years and lose
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Nazi punk, fuck off.
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He is impressing the circle jerk captain!
A swing and a miss.
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Your system was tried once and it fucking collapsed, in large part thank to “godless commies”
Are you replying to yourself?
I would like to not have this in my feed
it’s a shitposting sub. you’re here of your own volition.
Technically it’ll show up in the
Alllist, which is how I found it.I found it hilarious, though.
Why?
Unsub. e z
What did they lose, really? Besides a war, their generals, their free labor, and the value of their money?
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Are you seriously arguing that slavery wasn’t profitable for plantation owners?
Aside from being dangerously close to “well actually we were doing the slaves a favor!”, that argument is absolutely absurd.
Do you really think that they couldn’t get more economic value out of enslaved labor than they put in in shitty food and housing? By that logic, the poor poor plantation owners could just barely scrape by on a subsistence income. Does that match up with the lavish estates that we see in the south to this day?
Aside from being illogical it’s also ahistorical - milenia ago the Romans had massive slave-based plantations generating obscene wealth.
… what.
A plantation own has to provide all the things you mentioned to whatever form of labor they’re using (free/paid or slave) either through wages or directly.
It’s much cheaper to provide those things directly, and cheaper still when they’re not in a position to complain about the quality of them.
A slave worked more hours, every single day, while eating the cheapest food available. A slave slept packed into a cheap, tiny, overcrowded shack. A slave couldn’t demand time off, higher wages, or quit. A slave could bring in income when their children were sold.
Everything else aside plantation owners were businessmen. They used slaves because they were the cheapest labor available.
Reconsider whatever choices led you to this
Pride flag, If your family tree is a circle.
Evolutionary cul-de-sac.
30 people are sore loosers 🤣
When the South rises again, maybe we should just let them secede.
Even the reddest counties in the reddest states vote 10% blue. Most red states have strong pockets of blue in cities. (Nashville, Charleston, pretty much all of south Florida). Many southern states are purple or even blue! Georgia has two blue senators and a governor! Virginia has two blue senators and a red governor. North Carolina is up there too.
I’m very afraid for those people if the fascist lunatics get more control. I know you are sort of joking that we can’t just abandon them to that fate.
Also selfishly: do we really want the Christian Taliban to create an Afghanistan with y’all Quida next door to us? That wouldn’t end well.
Georgia does not have a blue governor.
They can secede, just leave the land behind when they do so. Enjoy the international waters.
At this point, seeking political asylum in an open air interment camp doesn’t seem a bad dream. It’s ridiculous here.
I’d love to see their declarations for seceding this time. Last time it was universally about slavery, I’m sure this time it will be wokeness or cheeks absent from Trump’s rear
One problem: You will create a country with third world mentality on religion, but with first world weapons. They’ll immediately start a holy war against the north, and if they succeed, the rest of the world.
They can’t take our military equipment with them. Let them try to use their AR-15s against our drones and nukes.
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I know a canadian that only dates foreigners and has this as a flag, a belt buckle and a hat. Fucking fetishist.
seems like it’s working though, right? he’s probably not swimming in pussy but is at least staying afloat?
Has to hire out.
It wasn’t even used as the actual flag of the Confederacy. This version of the flag is the Battle Flag of the Army of Northern Virginia, which has sort of just come to represent the whole Confederacy now. The actual flag that was used by the Confederacy actually had quite a bit more white on it, which in the eyes of some at the time understood it to represent the “White race” (from Wikipedia):
On April 23, 1863, the Savannah Morning News editor William Tappan Thompson, with assistance from William Ross Postell, a Confederate blockade runner, published an editorial championing a design featuring the battle flag on a white background he referred to later as “The White Man’s Flag,” a name which never caught on. In explaining the white background of his design, Thompson wrote, “As a people, we are fighting to maintain the Heaven-ordained supremacy of the white man over the inferior or colored race; a white flag would thus be emblematical of our cause.”
Their flag actually went through three versions between 1861–1865 (each with multiple variations), so they really didn’t have their shit together over the course of those 4 years even.
Anyone know if r/ShermanPosting made the Lemmy jump yet?
Be the change you wish to see in the world
Shout-out to Vexillologycirclejerk@lemmy.antemeridiem.xyz as this post would be quite suited for their flag shit posting.
Pride is a sin and often the only people taking pride in a flag have done nothing to earn any pride.
It’s ok, champ. Not everyone has supportive parents.
I see something I wanna use to wipe my ass.
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Hi I grew up in rural Kentucky, currently live in rural Indiana. The flyers of this flag hate gays and blacks, unilaterally.
Think for a second. Why, if you didn’t want to project the idea that you proudly hate gays and blacks, would you fly this flag? The association is too deep. You can’t fly this flag without very intentionally telling all the black and gay people around you that you hate them, even if “that’s not what it means to you”
No, everybody flying this flag knows that, they don’t care. They’re cool with the message, they support the message. They just know it’s not a great argument for the media 😉
That’s the biggest load of bull I’ve heard in a while and it’s nothing less than apologetic. Most of the people flying these flags today will say the same general shit revolving around “tHe SoUtH wIlL rIsE aGaIn!” Or “SoUtHeRn PrIdE”
Sometimes things are exactly as they seem and aren’t more than surface deep
It’s the dog whistling tactic but using a regular whistle and trying to convince everyone else that we can’t hear it. Idolizing traitors to own the libs. Sad!
Independence from what exactly? Hm? What things did they feel they were being oppressed over? Got a list?
I doubt you have it on hand, so I looked over the secession documents and speeches from Confederates etc. Here’s an exhaustive list of things they wanted to keep that were being “taken from them”:
- Slavery
Oh no not diversity and inclusion?!? How awful.
Ahh so if we just ignore the bad reasons something started and stick to a positive part of a concept, we should all be fine waving Nazi flags too I guess
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“I know the ‘cunts kicking puppies for four years over a century ago before getting shitheeled into the dirt’ is an unpopular group, but can’t we see their side of things? Clearly their flag means freedom from oppression!”
Go back to Twitter with your other white supremacist friends.
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I’m not here to debate white supremacists. I’m here to tell them to fuck off and eat shit. You can go with them if you want.
Edit: ROFL ah I didn’t even see your username. Fuck off.
Honestly i dont know wtf you are talking about. What is wrong with my username? Also what makes you think im a white supremacist?
I didn’t realize I was responding to you and not some other anonymous racist apologist, that’s all. And it’s clear what you are by the fact that you’re calling the first comment based despite that it’s trying to separate the Confederacy’s flag from the reality that they SECEDED AND WENT TO WAR OVER WANTING TO KEEP BLACK FOLKS AS SLAVES and their flag represents that.
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Comments like this are so disingenuine. Most people don’t like these ideas, not be cause they’re ultra terrible ideas, but just because they feel like they want to be part of a larger group?
Missing the point that “people” are generally not shitheads and don’t like shithead ideas
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