I’d give it another 10 years or so. I’m not trying to belittle you, but thinking back to how I was at 20, I would’ve done a poor job. Maybe you’re more mature than I was at that age but some of your comments suggest otherwise. Good luck.
I think maturity is very contextual. And depends how you define maturity. My profesional life has been fairly mature, whereas my attachment to others isn’t as much. But, I honestly, don’t understand your intention in saying that other than to belittle or dismiss. Also, so I can learn can you point out where I was immature- and how I could’ve improved me response?
Maturity is an expression of experience and at 20 you have a limited amount of experience. For example you’re still very close in terms of years to your schooldays and your experience of that leads to you calling school “false imprisonment” which is a terribly immature take imo.
I mean, there are plenty of much older people who have spent much more time in schools than me who have same conclusion. Deschooling/Unschooling is an existing philosophy, you don’t have to think it’s credible, but it’s not like only some random 20 year olds and younger believe in it.
20 you have a limited amount of experience.
Of course, but I also likely have very different experiences than you, so I think I could more aptly speak to my own experiences.
I think not, because there were plenty of times I did have traditionally good teachers, and kind teachers. Most teachers of course want the best for their students. But that form of education just wasn’t effective for me, despite performing well it made me miserable and all the things useful to me in life I taught myself or had to reteach myself as I had forgotten since school. (A problem Caleb Gattegno talked about- how schools teach lack genuine interest and value to the student so of course they forget it. I’ve actually noticed my memory has been significantly better since being out of school, but that could just be placebo or confirmation bias.)
If we go private schools I will fully be unable to afford to live with my family in this country. If I start seeing this pushed for I am burning down private schools in the dead of night. They want us broke and dead and to have no choice. Society is supposed to help people live easier. This is absolute bullshit and nefarious.
User adien: ‘Private in this context means charter, which is still state funded. Furthermore with more market share there would be enough demand for affordable private schools, as seen in India where government schools are infamous.’
More market share, means more charter schools. You’ve already explained yourself well enough. According to you 4th graders should just go to work and they’re ready to make decisions affecting their future because you hated your experience in school.
Actually you should blame your state, I assume Nevada, for forcing you to stay in school to the age of 18 instead of the public school you wish to replace with charter schools. Why didn’t your parents take you out and homeschool you anyway? Why don’t you blame them half as much as you blame the cruel teachers.
No, when I talked about increased market competition I didn’t mean charter schools. I imagine the government would have a fixed rate per student for charter schools. I was talking about prices could go down in parent paid private schools.
According to you 4th graders should just go to work
I said if the intention of school is to provide basic knowledge and if a child can demonstrate basic knowledge then they should be allowed to leave schooling.
they’re ready to make decisions affecting their future because you hated your experience in school.
You are starting to sound a little transphobic- but regardless, a child better knows what they want than a legislature who has never met them.
Actually you should blame your state, I assume Nevada,
Incorrect, why do you assume Nevada? And, I do blame the state government- hence why I want to change the law, which currently has significant influence from the teacher’s union which I suspect had something to do with the law being passed.
public school you wish to replace with charter schools.
I never advocated abolishing all public schools, I don’t think I even explicitly said charter schools were better. I personally am not sure, I think a different model for schooling completely is better. I was just disagreeing with fearmongering about them.
Why didn’t your parents take you out and homeschool you anyway?
They had jobs? And, the state regulations for homeschooling still placed a burden.
Why don’t you blame them half as much as you blame the cruel teachers.
I don’t blame individual teachers, I blame the law- and the people who continue to advocate enforcing it.
I can’t imagine a more contentious, biased moderator.
You blame the state for not funding more charter schools, which is a convoluted way of saying defund public schools.
You blame your parents for not homeschooling you, because they had to work. You yourself would rather just work. Think about it a little. Would you be able to pull your kids out of school, homeschool them if you are busy working? Or would you send your kids directly to work at the age of 10? Would you like the state to rewrite child labor laws?
You blame the state legislators? This is the first time in our serval day long conversation that you mentioned legislators. You previously solely mentioned teachers, your school ect.
Perhaps you should petition your legislators instead of pointlessly arguing with random internet strangers.
I am a public school teacher. I am an educator. My job is helping young children gain life skills in the hope that they will be successful in life. I am only interested in solutions to problems. I don’t see how any of your suggestions lead towards solutions.
Go try to make a positive contribution. You are just complaining that your experience in highschool sucked. ‘Things should be different.’ That’s all I’ve heard from you.
How are you going to make things different? Will it be better for all of us or does your solution only benefit your circumstances?
I can’t imagine a more contentious, biased moderator.
I can think of at least one, XD.
Cause and effect doesn’t imply guilt. I am extremely privileged to have the parents I have.
Perhaps you should petition your legislators instead of pointlessly arguing with random internet strangers.
Sorry, but that’s exactly why this community exists, not necessarily only for pointless argument but for pointless discussion too. You are engaging in it just as much as me- and calling me biased for having an opinion you disagree with. Everyone is biased, including you, the issue is when bias influences decision making- check the modlogs and call it out if it does.
I am only interested in solutions to problems.
You and most people reject it is a problem, I am advocating it is.
Go try to make a positive contribution. You are just complaining that your experience in highschool sucked. ‘Things should be different.’ That’s all I’ve heard from you.
How are you going to make things different? Will it be better for all of us or does your solution only benefit your circumstances?
I have a lot of problems with a lot of things. I am not virtuous enough to dedicate my life to solving all of them. I can still complain about them on the internet just as you do.
There’s a bit more to it than that, but yeah. The part you missed though is that I never advocated dismantling it- I advocated it being voluntary.
Oof. I’d consider turning down the mod offer and getting a little life experience first if I were you.
At what level of experience would you accept my opposition?
I’d give it another 10 years or so. I’m not trying to belittle you, but thinking back to how I was at 20, I would’ve done a poor job. Maybe you’re more mature than I was at that age but some of your comments suggest otherwise. Good luck.
I think maturity is very contextual. And depends how you define maturity. My profesional life has been fairly mature, whereas my attachment to others isn’t as much. But, I honestly, don’t understand your intention in saying that other than to belittle or dismiss. Also, so I can learn can you point out where I was immature- and how I could’ve improved me response?
Maturity is an expression of experience and at 20 you have a limited amount of experience. For example you’re still very close in terms of years to your schooldays and your experience of that leads to you calling school “false imprisonment” which is a terribly immature take imo.
I mean, there are plenty of much older people who have spent much more time in schools than me who have same conclusion. Deschooling/Unschooling is an existing philosophy, you don’t have to think it’s credible, but it’s not like only some random 20 year olds and younger believe in it.
Of course, but I also likely have very different experiences than you, so I think I could more aptly speak to my own experiences.
It’s an impossible question to answer but do you think your views on education would be different had you had a better experience in school?
I think not, because there were plenty of times I did have traditionally good teachers, and kind teachers. Most teachers of course want the best for their students. But that form of education just wasn’t effective for me, despite performing well it made me miserable and all the things useful to me in life I taught myself or had to reteach myself as I had forgotten since school. (A problem Caleb Gattegno talked about- how schools teach lack genuine interest and value to the student so of course they forget it. I’ve actually noticed my memory has been significantly better since being out of school, but that could just be placebo or confirmation bias.)
Here is the context.
User adien: ‘Private in this context means charter, which is still state funded. Furthermore with more market share there would be enough demand for affordable private schools, as seen in India where government schools are infamous.’
Yes, I presented what private school meant in this context?
More market share, means more charter schools. You’ve already explained yourself well enough. According to you 4th graders should just go to work and they’re ready to make decisions affecting their future because you hated your experience in school.
Actually you should blame your state, I assume Nevada, for forcing you to stay in school to the age of 18 instead of the public school you wish to replace with charter schools. Why didn’t your parents take you out and homeschool you anyway? Why don’t you blame them half as much as you blame the cruel teachers.
No, when I talked about increased market competition I didn’t mean charter schools. I imagine the government would have a fixed rate per student for charter schools. I was talking about prices could go down in parent paid private schools.
I said if the intention of school is to provide basic knowledge and if a child can demonstrate basic knowledge then they should be allowed to leave schooling.
You are starting to sound a little transphobic- but regardless, a child better knows what they want than a legislature who has never met them.
Incorrect, why do you assume Nevada? And, I do blame the state government- hence why I want to change the law, which currently has significant influence from the teacher’s union which I suspect had something to do with the law being passed.
I never advocated abolishing all public schools, I don’t think I even explicitly said charter schools were better. I personally am not sure, I think a different model for schooling completely is better. I was just disagreeing with fearmongering about them.
They had jobs? And, the state regulations for homeschooling still placed a burden.
I don’t blame individual teachers, I blame the law- and the people who continue to advocate enforcing it.
I can’t imagine a more contentious, biased moderator.
You blame the state for not funding more charter schools, which is a convoluted way of saying defund public schools.
You blame your parents for not homeschooling you, because they had to work. You yourself would rather just work. Think about it a little. Would you be able to pull your kids out of school, homeschool them if you are busy working? Or would you send your kids directly to work at the age of 10? Would you like the state to rewrite child labor laws?
You blame the state legislators? This is the first time in our serval day long conversation that you mentioned legislators. You previously solely mentioned teachers, your school ect.
Perhaps you should petition your legislators instead of pointlessly arguing with random internet strangers.
I am a public school teacher. I am an educator. My job is helping young children gain life skills in the hope that they will be successful in life. I am only interested in solutions to problems. I don’t see how any of your suggestions lead towards solutions.
Go try to make a positive contribution. You are just complaining that your experience in highschool sucked. ‘Things should be different.’ That’s all I’ve heard from you. How are you going to make things different? Will it be better for all of us or does your solution only benefit your circumstances?
I can think of at least one, XD.
Cause and effect doesn’t imply guilt. I am extremely privileged to have the parents I have.
Sorry, but that’s exactly why this community exists, not necessarily only for pointless argument but for pointless discussion too. You are engaging in it just as much as me- and calling me biased for having an opinion you disagree with. Everyone is biased, including you, the issue is when bias influences decision making- check the modlogs and call it out if it does.
You and most people reject it is a problem, I am advocating it is.
I have a lot of problems with a lot of things. I am not virtuous enough to dedicate my life to solving all of them. I can still complain about them on the internet just as you do.