BabyTurtles [none/use name]

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  • Westerners are willingly complicit in crimes because they instinctively and correctly understand that they benefit as a class (as a global bourgeois proletariat) from the exploitation enabled by their military and their propaganda — organs of coercion and consent.

    TRUEEEEEE

    At least for all of history up until now.

    I don’t yet personally know any liberals who support the illegal invasion of Venezuela, even some of the most turbo-lib places on reddit are anti-invasion, probably because they are realizing that they will continue to pay the costs while receiving none of the benefits.

    US global petty bourgeois is slowly collapsing into the rest of the global proletariat. So, they are taking the right position, even if for the wrong reasons.

    But I do know some neo-cons and reactionaries who changed their minds overnight: they’re thrilled. I figure because they think they’re gonma get cheap oil at no personal cost, and because libs and leftists are mad and that’s the only thing that gets them off now.



  • You’re not stupid at all and you have good intentions. It’s a core value of mine that food is a human right that everyone deserves, so we already have a lot of important things in common.

    Unfortunately there are power structures that serve to withhold people their human rights, like food. This is the power structure of Capitalism, consisting overwhelmingly of white Christian USians. People deserve to be angry at this power structure, and those of us, like myself, who are part of the imperial core, are right to feel guilt and shame. It’s not that we are inherently bad, but we are a part of the system of oppression. And we don’t need to be punished, but we can take the criticism on the chin and continually strive to take down the system from the inside.

    Feeding people is great right now, and the long term goal is to replace the current system with one where no one needs to be fed, because they are already guaranteed that right.


  • You might be unfamiliar with the Nazi bar analogy - I’m not saying everyone in the bar is a Nazi, but that it will continue to be a Nazi bar until you kick all the Nazis out.

    Step 1 is to stop being offended that people call a Nazi bar a Nazi bar.

    Step 2 is to admit you have a Nazi problem.

    Step 3 is to make the conscious decision that you don’t want your bar to be a Nazi bar anymore.

    Step 4 is to kick all the Nazis out.

    you’re negating generations of liberation movements

    No, refusing to acknowledge that the room has a bunch of Nazis inside, is what’s negating generations of liberation movements.

    I’m not saying that the bar needs to be shut down, just that all the Nazis need to be kicked out. Until the Nazis are kicked out of the bar, it will be referred to as a Nazi bar.




  • Plenty of specific critiques here that any good Christian would agree with.

    To be a good person capable of change means being able to take criticism, especially of being part of a globally oppressive cult. Someone who can’t handle the criticism of being part of a globally oppressive cult, is not a good person, is not capable of change, and was never a potential comrade.

    If I can’t say “your Nazi bar is full of Nazis” because that would offend someone so much that they would rather ally with the Nazis instead, they were always a Nazi.


  • If someone said that “ISIS are not real Muslims” using the same no true Scotsman fallacy that you did, I would find that equally icky, yes.

    And comparing Christians to Muslims isn’t exactly apples to apples, either. Christians run the imperial core. Christians create the western propoganda, head the biggest most expensive imperial armies of the world, and hold the majority of the world’s wealth and power.

    Ok a global scale, Christians are the oppressors, Muslims are the oppressed.

    So while certainly there are Muslims who do bad things in the name of Islam, I prefer to spend the vast majority my time and attention punching up to Christians, than punching down to Muslims.


  • Icky. I believe you have fine intentions, but you’re trying to “no true Scotsman” your way out of admitting that Christianity is currently a Nazi bar. The Nazis were allowed in, now they won’t leave. I believe good Christians exist, but unfortunately they are either unwilling, or unable to kick the Nazis out.

    For any good Christians, the fight isn’t to convince everyone outside the bar that you aren’t a Nazi, the fight is to finally kick all the Nazis out of your bar.