I fully agree with you but look up what happened in that district when she was first elected. Her dem opponent was threatened and assaulted and literally run out of town. Stack on that GA being a VERY gerrymandered state and it’s a no lose for her. She’s not from that district and if fact started in another district before they saw how ripe Ranger and Rome GA were for fear tactics and gop shenanigans. My parents live in Ranger and I fucking HATE it there and it’s very possible that the fetal-alcohol fucks nuts that populate that place would elect her any how but don’t discount the tactics used and how unqualified she is.
you but look up what happened in that district when she was first elected. Her dem opponent was threatened and assaulted and literally run out of town
What happened in her first election is abhorrent but are we going to discount she had a 2nd election she also won very handily it was 66% to 34%?
Stack on that GA being a VERY gerrymandered state and it’s a no lose for her.
I disagree with this. I’m not disputing GA is a gerrymandered state but she still had to compete in a primary election in 22. She got 69% of the vote out of all other Republicans trying for the 14th district of Georgia. There were 5 other options for a Republican house rep in district 14. They actively chose MTG and this could show us the disengagement of voters lead to these very polarizing figures taking hold and the important of participating at all steps of the election process instead of only focusing on the one big day. Life is stressful and likely full of other important things but we have to keep in mind everything we interact with is political. Its an exhausting mindset but everything we touch, do, eat, see, etc is influenced by politics, many people might not think it that way but it is. There is a reason why the topic of coal power if very contentious. We aren’t using coal for the sake of being evil, we are using it because its a fucking mess. There are clearly the corporate angles but we also have to think at the constituent levels. Coal mining jobs are super high paying jobs with very minimal education requirements, something you can do right out of high school maybe even without any schooling, so those jobs lead to economic movement in those regions and if a mine closes it could possibly kill a whole town’s economic backing. So that is why you have the whole “putting people back into the mines” talk on the republican end and also why Democrat Senator Manchin is very conservative even for a democrat because that is what his voters want even though he does hold up many things when dems had some form of majority rule in senate. I’m not here saying keep coal mining but this is more a point of seeing why people would vote for someone like Manchin. In my view coal is dying a slow painful death and the deregulation people are following is mostly keeping that industry on life support at best since even from a economic point of view coal is losing out to other forms of power generation like natural gas but I can easily say this since my livelihood isn’t massively affected by the coal industry and the runoff effects it may have in my area
I don’t disagree but I think this oversimplifies the war on people in souther states through scare tactics and manipulation. These people didn’t vote in a vacuum. They have been radicalizing rural communities for decades for what seems like these very moments we are witnessing. Coal is just another smoke and mirrors tactic to grift and to continue to disenfranchise and promote anti- intellectualism in the American south. I seem to remember in right before covid that there were at least 3 major solar outlets offering free training and better wages to miners. They were ceremoniously met with zero interest cause “solar is woke” or some garbage like that. That level of delusion is the product of decades of grooming. Same with MTGs district, Bobart, etc.
That level of delusion is the product of decades of grooming
I mean its the fact that change is scary. Many of these peoples great great grandfathers were miners. It has been the livelihood of these communities for more than a century now. So while I’m 100% for retraining and the such its hard to convince people who see change as a negative. Stick with what you know is rather normal.
Normal and completely unsustainable. Everything, EVERYTHING changes. If you don’t change with it you are actively holding back human progress for the sake of being afraid of the new. Not to mention that that sentiment is complete fed into and amplified by the gop.
I fully agree with you but look up what happened in that district when she was first elected. Her dem opponent was threatened and assaulted and literally run out of town. Stack on that GA being a VERY gerrymandered state and it’s a no lose for her. She’s not from that district and if fact started in another district before they saw how ripe Ranger and Rome GA were for fear tactics and gop shenanigans. My parents live in Ranger and I fucking HATE it there and it’s very possible that the fetal-alcohol fucks nuts that populate that place would elect her any how but don’t discount the tactics used and how unqualified she is.
For her first election, yes. She is a house representative though and her term is 2 years. So that would mean in the year of 2022, she was reelected and to my memory Marcus Flowers didn’t drop out. Enlighten me if I am wrong but she won by a hefty lead in 22, 66% to 34%. Like I can accept people weren’t sure about her on the first election in the same way I can sort of accept Trump voters the first time (I still wouldn’t have voted for that idiot but I can see why people would have) after her term though, its really hard to accept that 66% of people in her county said “This is all good”. There were primaries for her as well and she got 69% of the Republican vote. So yes her constituents want this garbage.
Again, I think this is looking at this election outside the context of what’s been happening in the south for decades. People voted for her. People stay with their abusers. They need help.
They may need help but the first step to improvement is admitting there is problem by the their constituents. Republicans are choosing this culture war nonsense and the constituents are eating it up. There is no simple answer to showing them the proverbial light and us trying to force a solution will only make them retreat further into these radicalized figures.
Nah. I don’t go for this. I’m not saying we force them but coddling and playing into to “poor me” bs is again, tactics, either parroted by voters or truly believed. If you can participate in a culture war, you can participate in a class war as well.
I do agree that republicans are going culture war to prevent thing like a class war but blaming the base, at this point, is like blaming a person that drives a car for climate change and not people like DuPont or Delta…
is like blaming a person that drives a car for climate change and not people like DuPont or Delta…
Actually I do blame consumers because I feel the argument that we should only care about the output of companies sort of diminishes the impact we as consumer have in the system. Its acting like the system is doing ____ for the sake of evil. Which I find oversimplifies the problem. Yes, companies have unparalleled power to lobby the government and that is a problem but everytime I see the comment that goes
100 companies are responsible for 90% of pollution emissions
Gives off a major vibe that your actions mean nothing since these large entities are at fault for the world’s woes. While ignoring most of these companies are energy/gas corporations. We as consumers absolutely impact the profit and spread of pollution by pointless consumerism. Like did you really need to do 2 day shipping for a single item off Amazon? I’m not here to say be perfect and you have no right to complain since yeah many of these companies do underhanded tactics to gain an upper hand and will shove down more environmentally “saving” competitors if they aren’t invested into these areas. Its just we need to keep in mind that our consumption also fuels this beast and we all have a part to play in this. Exporting most of your blame to corporations without also understanding your own impact on the system is not a good thing. This may sound like I’m simping for corporations but no, many corporations are seeking infinite growth in a finite world and it is slowly becoming a rat race many of us aren’t going to win in.
Nah. I don’t go for this. I’m not saying we force them but coddling and playing into to “poor me” bs is again, tactics, either parroted by voters or truly believed. If you can participate in a culture war, you can participate in a class war as well.
And I’m encouraging younger voters to play a role in the nation’s election system and all part of it. This goes for Democrats and Republicans. We need to unify and actually participate in this system or we are going to be stuck with crazies and these god damn fossils running this country. I feel your arguments are far more in the camp of “poor me”, while I’m pointing out this is the system we have and we need to push for reform on the inside. I know people say its not quick enough or it won’t do any good but this apathy bullshit is only making this country worse. War is not pretty, it is not something we should clamor for. We are sitting on our hands and saying we have done everything we can, nearly 33% of people didn’t even vote in the 2020 election (who were eligible). Nearly 50% on the midterms and there was progress these last 2 election cycles and that is good there was an improvement but we need to strive for more. We need people participating in the primaries. I get it there is a ton of fucking bullshit around many states trying to make voting harder and this lead many people to throw their hands up in the air and shout “The system is rig, there is no reason to participate”. We should be doing the opposite we should get angry, vote even more because the apathy approach will only lead to more restrictions on voting, we have to fight like hell for this to work or those who want to make the working class into glorified serfs will win.
Yeah your are talking about giving off vibes (which apparently gives you plenty of license to “see” what you want in my reply) and we need “unity” (please layout how we can move towards this unity you speak of ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ). Those are not actionable items and it leads to nothing. I was certainly not saying consumers are not to blame but they are the ONLY ones that get the blame and that is systemic. All the abstractions are exactly what fascists want us to focus on. If we could see the forest for the trees we’d know we are the powerful lobby (the people) and we own production etc., but we are conditioned to believe this is “un-American” et al. You can cherry pick anything but when a monsters share of your response is hyperbole, it rings disingenuous and troll-y.
Additionally: the convo you and I are having is a prime example. We are arguing the culture war while losing the class war just by engaging in the ephemera and minutiae of these points. Divided. I dare say you and I wouldn’t be divided if we were engaged in actions not debating in our safe little echo chambers.
She spreads nothing but hate, I agree the quicker she is out the better we are and we can move forward.
Not always hate! Very kind of her to be Biden’s spokesperson for his campaign!
But this is what her constituents want… Like yeah they are 100% in the wrong but holy shit, they literally voted for this garbage.
I fully agree with you but look up what happened in that district when she was first elected. Her dem opponent was threatened and assaulted and literally run out of town. Stack on that GA being a VERY gerrymandered state and it’s a no lose for her. She’s not from that district and if fact started in another district before they saw how ripe Ranger and Rome GA were for fear tactics and gop shenanigans. My parents live in Ranger and I fucking HATE it there and it’s very possible that the fetal-alcohol fucks nuts that populate that place would elect her any how but don’t discount the tactics used and how unqualified she is.
What happened in her first election is abhorrent but are we going to discount she had a 2nd election she also won very handily it was 66% to 34%?
I disagree with this. I’m not disputing GA is a gerrymandered state but she still had to compete in a primary election in 22. She got 69% of the vote out of all other Republicans trying for the 14th district of Georgia. There were 5 other options for a Republican house rep in district 14. They actively chose MTG and this could show us the disengagement of voters lead to these very polarizing figures taking hold and the important of participating at all steps of the election process instead of only focusing on the one big day. Life is stressful and likely full of other important things but we have to keep in mind everything we interact with is political. Its an exhausting mindset but everything we touch, do, eat, see, etc is influenced by politics, many people might not think it that way but it is. There is a reason why the topic of coal power if very contentious. We aren’t using coal for the sake of being evil, we are using it because its a fucking mess. There are clearly the corporate angles but we also have to think at the constituent levels. Coal mining jobs are super high paying jobs with very minimal education requirements, something you can do right out of high school maybe even without any schooling, so those jobs lead to economic movement in those regions and if a mine closes it could possibly kill a whole town’s economic backing. So that is why you have the whole “putting people back into the mines” talk on the republican end and also why Democrat Senator Manchin is very conservative even for a democrat because that is what his voters want even though he does hold up many things when dems had some form of majority rule in senate. I’m not here saying keep coal mining but this is more a point of seeing why people would vote for someone like Manchin. In my view coal is dying a slow painful death and the deregulation people are following is mostly keeping that industry on life support at best since even from a economic point of view coal is losing out to other forms of power generation like natural gas but I can easily say this since my livelihood isn’t massively affected by the coal industry and the runoff effects it may have in my area
I don’t disagree but I think this oversimplifies the war on people in souther states through scare tactics and manipulation. These people didn’t vote in a vacuum. They have been radicalizing rural communities for decades for what seems like these very moments we are witnessing. Coal is just another smoke and mirrors tactic to grift and to continue to disenfranchise and promote anti- intellectualism in the American south. I seem to remember in right before covid that there were at least 3 major solar outlets offering free training and better wages to miners. They were ceremoniously met with zero interest cause “solar is woke” or some garbage like that. That level of delusion is the product of decades of grooming. Same with MTGs district, Bobart, etc.
I mean its the fact that change is scary. Many of these peoples great great grandfathers were miners. It has been the livelihood of these communities for more than a century now. So while I’m 100% for retraining and the such its hard to convince people who see change as a negative. Stick with what you know is rather normal.
Normal and completely unsustainable. Everything, EVERYTHING changes. If you don’t change with it you are actively holding back human progress for the sake of being afraid of the new. Not to mention that that sentiment is complete fed into and amplified by the gop.
I fully agree with you but look up what happened in that district when she was first elected. Her dem opponent was threatened and assaulted and literally run out of town. Stack on that GA being a VERY gerrymandered state and it’s a no lose for her. She’s not from that district and if fact started in another district before they saw how ripe Ranger and Rome GA were for fear tactics and gop shenanigans. My parents live in Ranger and I fucking HATE it there and it’s very possible that the fetal-alcohol fucks nuts that populate that place would elect her any how but don’t discount the tactics used and how unqualified she is.
She ran unopposed after her opponent quit due to threats.
For her first election, yes. She is a house representative though and her term is 2 years. So that would mean in the year of 2022, she was reelected and to my memory Marcus Flowers didn’t drop out. Enlighten me if I am wrong but she won by a hefty lead in 22, 66% to 34%. Like I can accept people weren’t sure about her on the first election in the same way I can sort of accept Trump voters the first time (I still wouldn’t have voted for that idiot but I can see why people would have) after her term though, its really hard to accept that 66% of people in her county said “This is all good”. There were primaries for her as well and she got 69% of the Republican vote. So yes her constituents want this garbage.
Again, I think this is looking at this election outside the context of what’s been happening in the south for decades. People voted for her. People stay with their abusers. They need help.
They may need help but the first step to improvement is admitting there is problem by the their constituents. Republicans are choosing this culture war nonsense and the constituents are eating it up. There is no simple answer to showing them the proverbial light and us trying to force a solution will only make them retreat further into these radicalized figures.
Nah. I don’t go for this. I’m not saying we force them but coddling and playing into to “poor me” bs is again, tactics, either parroted by voters or truly believed. If you can participate in a culture war, you can participate in a class war as well.
I do agree that republicans are going culture war to prevent thing like a class war but blaming the base, at this point, is like blaming a person that drives a car for climate change and not people like DuPont or Delta…
Actually I do blame consumers because I feel the argument that we should only care about the output of companies sort of diminishes the impact we as consumer have in the system. Its acting like the system is doing ____ for the sake of evil. Which I find oversimplifies the problem. Yes, companies have unparalleled power to lobby the government and that is a problem but everytime I see the comment that goes
Gives off a major vibe that your actions mean nothing since these large entities are at fault for the world’s woes. While ignoring most of these companies are energy/gas corporations. We as consumers absolutely impact the profit and spread of pollution by pointless consumerism. Like did you really need to do 2 day shipping for a single item off Amazon? I’m not here to say be perfect and you have no right to complain since yeah many of these companies do underhanded tactics to gain an upper hand and will shove down more environmentally “saving” competitors if they aren’t invested into these areas. Its just we need to keep in mind that our consumption also fuels this beast and we all have a part to play in this. Exporting most of your blame to corporations without also understanding your own impact on the system is not a good thing. This may sound like I’m simping for corporations but no, many corporations are seeking infinite growth in a finite world and it is slowly becoming a rat race many of us aren’t going to win in.
And I’m encouraging younger voters to play a role in the nation’s election system and all part of it. This goes for Democrats and Republicans. We need to unify and actually participate in this system or we are going to be stuck with crazies and these god damn fossils running this country. I feel your arguments are far more in the camp of “poor me”, while I’m pointing out this is the system we have and we need to push for reform on the inside. I know people say its not quick enough or it won’t do any good but this apathy bullshit is only making this country worse. War is not pretty, it is not something we should clamor for. We are sitting on our hands and saying we have done everything we can, nearly 33% of people didn’t even vote in the 2020 election (who were eligible). Nearly 50% on the midterms and there was progress these last 2 election cycles and that is good there was an improvement but we need to strive for more. We need people participating in the primaries. I get it there is a ton of fucking bullshit around many states trying to make voting harder and this lead many people to throw their hands up in the air and shout “The system is rig, there is no reason to participate”. We should be doing the opposite we should get angry, vote even more because the apathy approach will only lead to more restrictions on voting, we have to fight like hell for this to work or those who want to make the working class into glorified serfs will win.
Yeah your are talking about giving off vibes (which apparently gives you plenty of license to “see” what you want in my reply) and we need “unity” (please layout how we can move towards this unity you speak of ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ). Those are not actionable items and it leads to nothing. I was certainly not saying consumers are not to blame but they are the ONLY ones that get the blame and that is systemic. All the abstractions are exactly what fascists want us to focus on. If we could see the forest for the trees we’d know we are the powerful lobby (the people) and we own production etc., but we are conditioned to believe this is “un-American” et al. You can cherry pick anything but when a monsters share of your response is hyperbole, it rings disingenuous and troll-y.
Additionally: the convo you and I are having is a prime example. We are arguing the culture war while losing the class war just by engaging in the ephemera and minutiae of these points. Divided. I dare say you and I wouldn’t be divided if we were engaged in actions not debating in our safe little echo chambers.