is like blaming a person that drives a car for climate change and not people like DuPont or Delta…
Actually I do blame consumers because I feel the argument that we should only care about the output of companies sort of diminishes the impact we as consumer have in the system. Its acting like the system is doing ____ for the sake of evil. Which I find oversimplifies the problem. Yes, companies have unparalleled power to lobby the government and that is a problem but everytime I see the comment that goes
100 companies are responsible for 90% of pollution emissions
Gives off a major vibe that your actions mean nothing since these large entities are at fault for the world’s woes. While ignoring most of these companies are energy/gas corporations. We as consumers absolutely impact the profit and spread of pollution by pointless consumerism. Like did you really need to do 2 day shipping for a single item off Amazon? I’m not here to say be perfect and you have no right to complain since yeah many of these companies do underhanded tactics to gain an upper hand and will shove down more environmentally “saving” competitors if they aren’t invested into these areas. Its just we need to keep in mind that our consumption also fuels this beast and we all have a part to play in this. Exporting most of your blame to corporations without also understanding your own impact on the system is not a good thing. This may sound like I’m simping for corporations but no, many corporations are seeking infinite growth in a finite world and it is slowly becoming a rat race many of us aren’t going to win in.
Nah. I don’t go for this. I’m not saying we force them but coddling and playing into to “poor me” bs is again, tactics, either parroted by voters or truly believed. If you can participate in a culture war, you can participate in a class war as well.
And I’m encouraging younger voters to play a role in the nation’s election system and all part of it. This goes for Democrats and Republicans. We need to unify and actually participate in this system or we are going to be stuck with crazies and these god damn fossils running this country. I feel your arguments are far more in the camp of “poor me”, while I’m pointing out this is the system we have and we need to push for reform on the inside. I know people say its not quick enough or it won’t do any good but this apathy bullshit is only making this country worse. War is not pretty, it is not something we should clamor for. We are sitting on our hands and saying we have done everything we can, nearly 33% of people didn’t even vote in the 2020 election (who were eligible). Nearly 50% on the midterms and there was progress these last 2 election cycles and that is good there was an improvement but we need to strive for more. We need people participating in the primaries. I get it there is a ton of fucking bullshit around many states trying to make voting harder and this lead many people to throw their hands up in the air and shout “The system is rig, there is no reason to participate”. We should be doing the opposite we should get angry, vote even more because the apathy approach will only lead to more restrictions on voting, we have to fight like hell for this to work or those who want to make the working class into glorified serfs will win.
Yeah your are talking about giving off vibes (which apparently gives you plenty of license to “see” what you want in my reply) and we need “unity” (please layout how we can move towards this unity you speak of ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ). Those are not actionable items and it leads to nothing. I was certainly not saying consumers are not to blame but they are the ONLY ones that get the blame and that is systemic. All the abstractions are exactly what fascists want us to focus on. If we could see the forest for the trees we’d know we are the powerful lobby (the people) and we own production etc., but we are conditioned to believe this is “un-American” et al. You can cherry pick anything but when a monsters share of your response is hyperbole, it rings disingenuous and troll-y.
Additionally: the convo you and I are having is a prime example. We are arguing the culture war while losing the class war just by engaging in the ephemera and minutiae of these points. Divided. I dare say you and I wouldn’t be divided if we were engaged in actions not debating in our safe little echo chambers.
Those are not actionable items and it leads to nothing. I was certainly not saying consumers are not to blame but they are the ONLY ones that get the blame and that is systemic.
My dude, I said we actually engage in our actual electoral system as you say the most powerful lobby (the people). The people are slacking, there is apathy nearly 80% of people don’t participate in the US mid term primaries. The people only give a fucking shit about the nation’s talking head (Executive branch), who is powerful but we lay about and not give a single shit about the legislative branch, the people who actually get most of the work done. They are the ones who confirm supreme court justices, the ones who make the laws, the ones who can handle impeachments. I don’t care about your political views, just fucking participate that is literally what we Americans need to do. So many of us don’t know whats actually going on. They just listen to their fucking talking heads about the most eye catching headlines while ignoring some of the more important ones like our privacy basically being sold off and being rated out by the devices we use.
I dare say you and I wouldn’t be divided if we were engaged in actions not debating in our safe little echo chambers.
Blind action is wasted action and possibly detrimental to our cause.
I’m saying the reason they are like that is because they have been fucking groomed to be that way! They have been propagandized. “Hoodwinked. Bamboozled…” I don’t know how else to say it! People don’t vote because they are convinced it doesn’t matter. How did they decide that? How did they form that opinion??? You are just not seeing my point.
Love you! Stay frosty! I’m out!
Actually I do blame consumers because I feel the argument that we should only care about the output of companies sort of diminishes the impact we as consumer have in the system. Its acting like the system is doing ____ for the sake of evil. Which I find oversimplifies the problem. Yes, companies have unparalleled power to lobby the government and that is a problem but everytime I see the comment that goes
Gives off a major vibe that your actions mean nothing since these large entities are at fault for the world’s woes. While ignoring most of these companies are energy/gas corporations. We as consumers absolutely impact the profit and spread of pollution by pointless consumerism. Like did you really need to do 2 day shipping for a single item off Amazon? I’m not here to say be perfect and you have no right to complain since yeah many of these companies do underhanded tactics to gain an upper hand and will shove down more environmentally “saving” competitors if they aren’t invested into these areas. Its just we need to keep in mind that our consumption also fuels this beast and we all have a part to play in this. Exporting most of your blame to corporations without also understanding your own impact on the system is not a good thing. This may sound like I’m simping for corporations but no, many corporations are seeking infinite growth in a finite world and it is slowly becoming a rat race many of us aren’t going to win in.
And I’m encouraging younger voters to play a role in the nation’s election system and all part of it. This goes for Democrats and Republicans. We need to unify and actually participate in this system or we are going to be stuck with crazies and these god damn fossils running this country. I feel your arguments are far more in the camp of “poor me”, while I’m pointing out this is the system we have and we need to push for reform on the inside. I know people say its not quick enough or it won’t do any good but this apathy bullshit is only making this country worse. War is not pretty, it is not something we should clamor for. We are sitting on our hands and saying we have done everything we can, nearly 33% of people didn’t even vote in the 2020 election (who were eligible). Nearly 50% on the midterms and there was progress these last 2 election cycles and that is good there was an improvement but we need to strive for more. We need people participating in the primaries. I get it there is a ton of fucking bullshit around many states trying to make voting harder and this lead many people to throw their hands up in the air and shout “The system is rig, there is no reason to participate”. We should be doing the opposite we should get angry, vote even more because the apathy approach will only lead to more restrictions on voting, we have to fight like hell for this to work or those who want to make the working class into glorified serfs will win.
Yeah your are talking about giving off vibes (which apparently gives you plenty of license to “see” what you want in my reply) and we need “unity” (please layout how we can move towards this unity you speak of ¯_(ツ)_/¯ ). Those are not actionable items and it leads to nothing. I was certainly not saying consumers are not to blame but they are the ONLY ones that get the blame and that is systemic. All the abstractions are exactly what fascists want us to focus on. If we could see the forest for the trees we’d know we are the powerful lobby (the people) and we own production etc., but we are conditioned to believe this is “un-American” et al. You can cherry pick anything but when a monsters share of your response is hyperbole, it rings disingenuous and troll-y.
Additionally: the convo you and I are having is a prime example. We are arguing the culture war while losing the class war just by engaging in the ephemera and minutiae of these points. Divided. I dare say you and I wouldn’t be divided if we were engaged in actions not debating in our safe little echo chambers.
My dude, I said we actually engage in our actual electoral system as you say the most powerful lobby (the people). The people are slacking, there is apathy nearly 80% of people don’t participate in the US mid term primaries. The people only give a fucking shit about the nation’s talking head (Executive branch), who is powerful but we lay about and not give a single shit about the legislative branch, the people who actually get most of the work done. They are the ones who confirm supreme court justices, the ones who make the laws, the ones who can handle impeachments. I don’t care about your political views, just fucking participate that is literally what we Americans need to do. So many of us don’t know whats actually going on. They just listen to their fucking talking heads about the most eye catching headlines while ignoring some of the more important ones like our privacy basically being sold off and being rated out by the devices we use.
Blind action is wasted action and possibly detrimental to our cause.
I’m saying the reason they are like that is because they have been fucking groomed to be that way! They have been propagandized. “Hoodwinked. Bamboozled…” I don’t know how else to say it! People don’t vote because they are convinced it doesn’t matter. How did they decide that? How did they form that opinion??? You are just not seeing my point. Love you! Stay frosty! I’m out!