I cannot remember a time that anyone on the left was hostile to me for being male. On the other hand, I’ve been called things like “pussy” and “beta cuck” by people on the right just for my political positions and that seems a hell of a lot more hostile to my masculinity than anyone on the left has ever been to me.
I think you’re just assuming that when people talk about patriarchy, they’re talking about maleness, which shows a total misunderstanding of the issue and the problem.
I’m male and hang around exclusively left wing groups with very opiates feminists and I’ve never felt like I was out of place, hated, vilified or unwanted.
Are you sure you’re not just being an argumentative asshole? Because if you take personal offense to things like male privilege being acknowledged and make comments like these, I can see why people might not wa to be involved with you.
I mean, this is just turning into a “he said, she said” sort of deal. What are they saying that you feel personally associates with and cannot be separated from being male?
Personally I’ve never grown up feeling like people hated me just for being male, whether it was from the left or the right.
I mean, it’s not untrue either. Here 58% of the students who completed their masters degree last year are women, yet the vast majority of the gender quota based bonus points still go to women. And then there is a group that claims this is still not enough progress - it seems they are more interested in revenge than equality. So I can certainly see how some men get the impression that “the left is not for them”.
I’m sorry… what? It’s the left’s fault that women are getting more masters degrees than men?
Apart from anything else, isn’t that suggesting that men getting more masters degrees than women is some sort of natural state? I’d like evidence for that one.
I’m sorry… what? It’s the left’s fault that women are getting more masters degrees than men?
I didn’t say that. I said 58% of masters graduates here last year were women, yet the gender bonus points that favour women remain. I didn’t even say that I disagreed with that policy. But if we are going have such policies I don’t think we get to stand around and act confused when some men don’t feel welcomed by the left.
They make it easier to get into university for certain genders where there is a historical imbalance of students in the subject. Men here get them for a couple of courses too: vets and nursing for example. But the vast majority of the bonuses are for women. The point wasn’t to debate this system, it was just to say that we shouldn’t be surprised that men feel alienated by such policies. (edit: especially in light of the recent graduate data)
Wow that’s not what I wrote - I can see now you’re just going to deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent anything I write.
But you are making my point for me, so thanks I guess. If you don’t see a problem with one gender of masters graduates being at 42%, then you sure aren’t interested in equality. That such a position is not universally appealing should mystify nobody.
Why do people get hung up on academia when it’s statically likely you will make more money than women doing the same work?
‘The thing that gives grades that don’t ultimately matter may be treating women better, we must fix it now!’ But you’re utterly silent about the pay gap, the all male presidential line up, the mostly male scotus, the mostly male ceo and government makeup.
To me it feels like such a bullshit argument? Why does it resonate? Is it just that these guys are super young and basically don’t get that previous generation of women were sexually harassed out of all the profitable professions, so now academia is trying to backfill?
Dude what? This is a thread about why some people are joining the right. I provided a single non controversial data point for an issue i wasn’t even trying to argue.
If you cant see why a policy that has seen graduate rates rise for one gender to 58%, yet still pushes for more inequality, is going to turn off some members of the 42% then you need a kind of assistance I am not qualified to offer.
High rate of male suicide, high adoption of men in far right ideology. Why do you think that is? Because every other male than you is a weak specimen and you’re such a renaissance man?
Also your statement was anecdotal and dismissive, so we’ll scratch the renaissance part.
I mean, you just pushed a ridiculous - and completely, stupidly untrue - myth about the left hating men, and then pretended to be a leftist to lend supposed credibility to that absurdity. What did you expect in response? A bunch of left-leaning men - like me - going, “Y’know, it’s true, I totally hate men” or something?
There’s definitely a subset of people on the left who are outright hostile to men in general… but they’re a barely vocal minority. Anyone who leans right because of them was already halfway there, and was just using them as an excuse to dive headfirst instead of dipping a toe in.
Even if that were true, what does that accomplish other than continuing a cycle of increasingly volatile reactionary aggression? Why not be the bigger person, unless you don’t actually want to better society and just want to be “right”.
I think it has to do with the fact that the left is actively hostile towards men, to the point where men go conservative.
It’s one of those “it hurt itself in its confusion” type situations, and that’s coming from a leftist.
That’s… that’s not true.
Source: a male.
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Why is it that the right wing incel/MGTOW crowd can’t seem to ever come up with specific examples? It’s always vague nonsense like this.
Maybe you’re just an asshole?
Yeah no problem with my liberal friends here. I don’t think it’s your gender causing your problems
That’s wild. I’ve never felt that way at all. Are you sure its because you’re male? What prompts your constant vilification?
I cannot remember a time that anyone on the left was hostile to me for being male. On the other hand, I’ve been called things like “pussy” and “beta cuck” by people on the right just for my political positions and that seems a hell of a lot more hostile to my masculinity than anyone on the left has ever been to me.
I think you’re just assuming that when people talk about patriarchy, they’re talking about maleness, which shows a total misunderstanding of the issue and the problem.
I’m male and hang around exclusively left wing groups with very opiates feminists and I’ve never felt like I was out of place, hated, vilified or unwanted.
Are you sure you’re not just being an argumentative asshole? Because if you take personal offense to things like male privilege being acknowledged and make comments like these, I can see why people might not wa to be involved with you.
I mean, this is just turning into a “he said, she said” sort of deal. What are they saying that you feel personally associates with and cannot be separated from being male?
Personally I’ve never grown up feeling like people hated me just for being male, whether it was from the left or the right.
Do you also take offense to white kids learning about Americas history of slavery?
I mean, it’s not untrue either. Here 58% of the students who completed their masters degree last year are women, yet the vast majority of the gender quota based bonus points still go to women. And then there is a group that claims this is still not enough progress - it seems they are more interested in revenge than equality. So I can certainly see how some men get the impression that “the left is not for them”.
I’m sorry… what? It’s the left’s fault that women are getting more masters degrees than men?
Apart from anything else, isn’t that suggesting that men getting more masters degrees than women is some sort of natural state? I’d like evidence for that one.
I didn’t say that. I said 58% of masters graduates here last year were women, yet the gender bonus points that favour women remain. I didn’t even say that I disagreed with that policy. But if we are going have such policies I don’t think we get to stand around and act confused when some men don’t feel welcomed by the left.
What? What are “gender bonus points?” What masters degree program is even based on points?
They make it easier to get into university for certain genders where there is a historical imbalance of students in the subject. Men here get them for a couple of courses too: vets and nursing for example. But the vast majority of the bonuses are for women. The point wasn’t to debate this system, it was just to say that we shouldn’t be surprised that men feel alienated by such policies. (edit: especially in light of the recent graduate data)
So you’re saying addressing historical imbalances is a bad thing? Keep the white guys on top where they belong?
Wow that’s not what I wrote - I can see now you’re just going to deliberately misinterpret and misrepresent anything I write.
But you are making my point for me, so thanks I guess. If you don’t see a problem with one gender of masters graduates being at 42%, then you sure aren’t interested in equality. That such a position is not universally appealing should mystify nobody.
Why do people get hung up on academia when it’s statically likely you will make more money than women doing the same work?
‘The thing that gives grades that don’t ultimately matter may be treating women better, we must fix it now!’ But you’re utterly silent about the pay gap, the all male presidential line up, the mostly male scotus, the mostly male ceo and government makeup.
To me it feels like such a bullshit argument? Why does it resonate? Is it just that these guys are super young and basically don’t get that previous generation of women were sexually harassed out of all the profitable professions, so now academia is trying to backfill?
Dude what? This is a thread about why some people are joining the right. I provided a single non controversial data point for an issue i wasn’t even trying to argue.
If you cant see why a policy that has seen graduate rates rise for one gender to 58%, yet still pushes for more inequality, is going to turn off some members of the 42% then you need a kind of assistance I am not qualified to offer.
High rate of male suicide, high adoption of men in far right ideology. Why do you think that is? Because every other male than you is a weak specimen and you’re such a renaissance man?
Also your statement was anecdotal and dismissive, so we’ll scratch the renaissance part.
So you’re saying a high male adoption into far right ideology correlating with high male suicide shows…
Democrats are to blame?
You may want to get your logic chip checked out. No wonder you have these beliefs.
Edit: and you trying to be toxic by insulting my manliness isn’t going to win any support for your cause.
That has some strong “fellow kids” vibes.
“As a black man…”
Thanks. Real constructive.
I mean, you just pushed a ridiculous - and completely, stupidly untrue - myth about the left hating men, and then pretended to be a leftist to lend supposed credibility to that absurdity. What did you expect in response? A bunch of left-leaning men - like me - going, “Y’know, it’s true, I totally hate men” or something?
There’s definitely a subset of people on the left who are outright hostile to men in general… but they’re a barely vocal minority. Anyone who leans right because of them was already halfway there, and was just using them as an excuse to dive headfirst instead of dipping a toe in.
I mean I see no reason not to paint the left with a broad brush based on their worst considering they’re chomping at the bit to do the same.
Even if that were true, what does that accomplish other than continuing a cycle of increasingly volatile reactionary aggression? Why not be the bigger person, unless you don’t actually want to better society and just want to be “right”.
Because being the bigger person accomplishes exactly fucking nothing.
You should think harder next time.
About what? About the sky high rate of male suicide, or the high rate of males going into far right ideology?
I’m a man and a leftist.
Wtf are you talking about lol. The left isn’t hostile towards men. They just aren’t hostile towards women, poc, lgbtq+, etc like the right are.