- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmit.online
- cross-posted to:
- worldnews@lemmit.online
Brazilian President Luiz Inacio Lula da Silva has said that Russian leader Vladimir Putin will not be arrested in Brazil if he attends the Group of 20 meeting in Rio de Janeiro next year.
Lula, speaking to the Firstpost news show at the sidelines of the G20 meeting in Delhi on Saturday, said Putin would be invited to next year’s event.
He added that he himself planned to attend a BRICS bloc of developing nations meeting due in Russia before the Rio meeting.
“I believe that Putin can go easily to Brazil,” Lula said. “What I can say to you is that if I’m president of Brazil, and he comes to Brazil, there’s no way he will be arrested.”
The statement comes after the International Criminal Court (ICC) issued an arrest warrant against Putin in March, accusing him of the war crime of illegally deporting hundreds of children from Ukraine.
Yeah, no this is patently false. German judicial system isn’t running around jeopardizing it’s foreign relations. Germany explicitly guaranteed that Rumsfeld wouldn’t be arrested.
Also why are you hell-bent on promoting a conspiracy theory? You have zero evidence that there is an arrest warrant or that there ever will be. Your apparent basis for this is that George Bush hasn’t visited Germany post-presidency, which might be a fair point except that Bush hasn’t visited most countries in Europe post-presidency. Germany is simply not that special, UK or France are more important on the world stage.
“Against the whole of NATO, and the EU”.
US armed forces dominate NATO. UK and France are the second and 3rd strongest by far. Your submarine fleet isn’t even functional, the Bundswehr is a laughing stock, you literally had to use broomsticks in military exercises because you have no rifles. If you think that France would defend you and not just invade your sad little country itself you’re delusional.
This is a level of insane German nationalism not seen outside of an Austrian in the 1930s.
When he wasn’t a secretary, but out of office? [citation needed]
Have you heard about this thing called division of power. If the government doesn’t want iffy foreign incidences then the diplomatic corps avoids them by keeping people away from the country.
Just checked on wikipedia, your confusion might stem from the fact that prosecutors in the US don’t have to prosecute if they don’t feel like it. That’s not a thing in Germany: If there’s a suspicion then there’s an investigation and if that results in sufficient evidence then there’s a trial. None of it is optional, up to the individual public servant or least of all any politician.
…I’ll leave you to that belief though then why are other ex Presidents here all the time.
And this proves that you have no idea what you’re talking about. First off, the broomstick (singular) was used not to simulate a rifle, but a machine gun on top of a command vehicle. Secondly, that command vehicle had exactly as much armament as it was supposed to have – it’s just that the unit disagreed with the top brass, they wanted the command vehicle to have a gun just like the other vehicles even if it lacks a dedicated gunner (it’s the unit commander’s seat). So they took a broomstick to an exercise, the commander simulated gunshots in his off-time, hit stuff (at least conceptually), and thereby convinced the top brass that command vehicles should, indeed, also have guns and that’s why they now have them. It’s the exact kind of cheeky insubordination you want in an army.
Ah. Godwin’s law. How predictable.
Why are you using Wikipedia to speculate on my information sources? (I author Wikipedia articles so the idea that you think I source my information from them is laughable).
“And I’ll leave you to that belief when other ex-presidents have visited Germany”.
This is literally your only data point. There are numerous reasons why someone wouldn’t visit Germany, Bush largely retired from public life and visits very few countries. The fact that they haven’t visited Germany is easily explained by the fact that they are just not that interesting of a country. You have absolutely no basis to claim that there is a secret arrest warrant, this is simply something that you fabricated. (Possibly from Amnesty International’s attempt to get an arrest warrant {which failed}. See I can speculate on your information sources too. )
Also the BND literally broke German law to provide the US with intelligence, the idea that Germany is somehow immune to US influence (or just straight political realism) is utterly insane. You are just so hardcore nationalist that you refuse to accept it.
“Also this proves that you have no idea what you are talking about”.
Actually I’m quite aware of the incident, and yes it was overblown by the media. It’s still a humourous spin on Germany’s poor readiness, which you never actually addressed. But at least you seem to have dropped any pretense that the Bundswehr wouldn’t immediately surrender, especially considering that the US has 30k troops in Germany already.
“Godwin’s law…”
Not exactly sure what problem you have with this reasoning. If Bush doesn’t visit Germany, it can only be because he has an arrest warrant that has never been revealed. Likewise if you assert that Germany is so special that it ignores political consequences (and is even capable and willing to fight a war with the US), it can only be because you are a fascist. Why does this reasoning suddenly become unacceptable when it’s applied to you? (It was always unacceptable you are just so hung up on “Deutschland Uber Alles” that you are willing to fabricate nonsense to preserve your image of Germany).
You got me there he might simply be uninterested. Doesn’t change anything about the rest, though. Your gotcha isn’t half as smart as you think it is.
That’s not the legal system, and no they did not literally break it – they made their own interpretation of it and avoided the checks placed on them. Ask yourself how often the CIA did that, it’s a thing intelligence agencies do.
That’s quite a different ballpark than a journalist, inevitably, filing a criminal complaint with the state attorney in person, standing there, asking “and what will you do now?”
No it’s something that you fabricated, right there. I can’t be arsed to go back but if I remember right I said the exact opposite: That no warrant currently exists. But it is implicit in our legal system: If he landed on German soil it’d be there in one way or the other within the hour. Maybe not immediate arrest but supervision / forbidden to leave the country while the wheels of the courts churn to judge the accusations, whether it’s enough to hold him.