• @anteaters@feddit.de
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    31 year ago

    Turns out living with terrorists that keep provoking attacks on you is a shit situation that you should escape from or call for international help to remove them. It is sad that innocent people of Gaza suffer and die and I wish that tragedy would not happen but that blood is solely on Hamas’ hands - they fully knew what the reaction would be.

    • @x86x87
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      41 year ago

      If you think living with terrorists is bad you should think about a fucking county that has power hungry terrorist leadership. You Israel is a terrorist state and them killing civilians in Gaza is no different than what Hamas is doing. You can pretend it’s something else but this is genocide.

        • @x86x87
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          31 year ago

          Explain it to me you brainiac. Let’s see if you can do mental gymnastics to justify what is happening.

          Is wikipedia good enough for your Highness?

          Genocide is the intentional destruction of a people[a] in whole or in part. In 1948, the United Nations Genocide Convention defined genocide as any of five “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”. These five acts were: killing members of the group, causing them serious bodily or mental harm, imposing living conditions intended to destroy the group, preventing births, and forcibly transferring children out of the group. Victims are targeted because of their real or perceived membership of a group, not randomly.[1][2]

          Killing members of a group? Check. Serious bodily or mental harm? Check. Living conditions intended to destroy the group? Fucking check.

          ANY of these == genocide. ANY

          • @anteaters@feddit.de
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            21 year ago

            “acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group”.

            The intent “to destroy whole or in part” is not there. If Israel had the intent to eradicade the people of Gaza it could have easily done so for a long time. That is not “mental gymnastics” but a matter of intent, as stated in your definition. They take into account that many, many innocent people in Gaza are killed as collaterals in their fight to destroy Hamas, but Israel actually wanting to eradicate the populace would look very different. I’m open to change my view the coming weeks but I don’t see Israel eradicating them. I also accept that you vehemently disagree with me on this.

            On the other hand Hamas has put the intent of the complete destruction of Israel in its founding charter - one can easily claim that every attack on Israel by Hamas is an act of genocide.

            • @x86x87
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              21 year ago

              I think the intent is there.

              You cannot explain cutting off water and food supplies. You just can’t. You don’t cut off water without intent.

              You don’t box in civilians and destroy the only route they can take to get out of the region. It’s not possible to do this without intent.

              Vehemently disagreements can be healthy but not when people are fucking dying.

              • @anteaters@feddit.de
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                21 year ago

                The total blockade of water and food is a very sharp sword that I hope will be lifted quickly as it was an overly brutal reaction to the attack. It could have been considered as an immense pressure to release the hostages from Gaza without boming the place but that did not manifest as Israel decided to attack anyways.

                Do you think that Egypt is also complicit in the genocide against the people of Gaza, as they are also carrying the blockade?

                • @x86x87
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                  11 year ago

                  The blockade as you call it is genocide.

                  Egypt has a long history in that area - look it up. History is there.