I don’t get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine — they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom — tmux, htop, nload, lolcats…most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.
I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it…but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.
Virtually non-repairable hardware I’m especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.
Expensive as hell.
Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can’t get OS updates anymore then you can’t have xcode versions updates anymore.
They’re pretty, They have great battery life, and they’re *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.
Other people’s software is great, what was asked is why the Apple hate.
Apple doesn’t provide Homebrew, Apple updates *in the past have occasionally broken it horribly. (Looking at you El Capitan)
But while we are taking a look at home brew, If you need a specific version of something you are occasionally up a creek. It’s been a hot few years since I was daily driving OSX *as my primary, but when I needed a certain version of memcache or a certain version of netcat for a feature, It just wasn’t there and then compiling it for the OS was a far bigger pain in the ass than it is on any Linux distro.
That makes about as much sense as saying that pip, gem, npm, cargo, or nix should called be the default package manager on Mac OS…
The default package manager is the default because it manages the system’s software. RPM, Deb/apt, pacman, etc. Homebrew is like pip or docker or cargo or snap or whatever else. You can set it up if you’d like but it’s certainly not a default. (Though I’m not trying to dispute that it’s good 😊)
Mac OS doesn’t have a good default package management solution (though they would if they just opened up the app store and added a CLI). It’s ok to admit it, and say that third party folks (who Apple does not support unless I’m missing something) are powering a pretty good third party experience. If only Apple cared about people who wanted a truly free an customizable computer, they could make a great OS :)
Homebrew is fairly different from pip, cargo or npm in that only python developers use pip, only rust developers use cargo, etc. And those are mostly used to manage libraries, rather than executables.
Meanwhile, essentially everyone who uses the console uses homebrew regardless of what programming languages they might or might not use. I was making a joke about how good, useful and basically required homebrew is.
EOL support. I have a 11-12 year old System76 laptop. Works perfectly on the latest Ubuntu version.
Their shitty walled garden for both software (iOS) and hardware (soldered components that don’t need to be).
Overpriced.
Fake sense of privacy.
I used Mac OS 6.x through 10.4. When I was in college and couldn’t afford to replace my aging G4, I triple booted Fedora, Mac OS X, and Windows on a hackintosh where I gravitated towards mostly Linux and Windows for a couple games. Owned a couple iPhones but decided to role Android when the nexus 6 came out to save some money when I had my first child on the way and my current phone was dying.
I don’t miss anything I left behind. Had a short stint at work during COVID where I was given a MacBook. While not horrible, I ran into enough nuances I was able to justify to my work using a Linux laptop instead. I just don’t find anything appealing to give them my business.
Agreed. Macs are perfectly fine and capable UNIX machines, really the only problem with them is the price. And yes I get that some people aren’t fans of the UI but it requires no more of a learning curve than, say, GNOME.
But whatever. I’m not even offended by this meme, it’s actually rather factual on the whole, which can’t be said for everything posted in this group.
Mac is proprietary bullshit that’s why. It’s fine for work usage. At home I want to support FOSS.
Also MacBooks are a ripoff. You get 6-8 years of support and then all updates stop. Not worth it when Linux support is indefinite, and even Windows gets you 10+ years.
I don’t get all the Apple hate from the Linux community. Out of the box you have a fully usable *NIX machine — they even switched the default shell to zsh! No advertising in the Start menu, and ssh (client and server) included by default. Install homebrew and boom — tmux, htop, nload, lolcats…most of your favorite tools can be installed easy as on any linux distro.
I use Debian for personal use, and I much prefer it…but basically only because I prefer i3 to the Mac GUI.
Virtually non-repairable hardware I’m especially salty on disks and keyboards. The SMCs have been garbage for years.
Expensive as hell.
Crappy default package management. Crappy heat management. Years of ignoring customers wants (escape key). Their logs are half-assed. Xcode is pretty trashy and they keep doing non backwards compatible upgrades for things. Once* a box reaches a number of years old You can’t get OS updates anymore then you can’t have xcode versions updates anymore.
They’re pretty, They have great battery life, and they’re *nix but the advantages fall apart pretty quickly when you start digging into them.
What’s wrong with homebrew?
Other people’s software is great, what was asked is why the Apple hate.
Apple doesn’t provide Homebrew, Apple updates *in the past have occasionally broken it horribly. (Looking at you El Capitan)
But while we are taking a look at home brew, If you need a specific version of something you are occasionally up a creek. It’s been a hot few years since I was daily driving OSX *as my primary, but when I needed a certain version of memcache or a certain version of netcat for a feature, It just wasn’t there and then compiling it for the OS was a far bigger pain in the ass than it is on any Linux distro.
Homebrew might as well be default.
That makes about as much sense as saying that pip, gem, npm, cargo, or nix should called be the default package manager on Mac OS…
The default package manager is the default because it manages the system’s software. RPM, Deb/apt, pacman, etc. Homebrew is like pip or docker or cargo or snap or whatever else. You can set it up if you’d like but it’s certainly not a default. (Though I’m not trying to dispute that it’s good 😊)
Mac OS doesn’t have a good default package management solution (though they would if they just opened up the app store and added a CLI). It’s ok to admit it, and say that third party folks (who Apple does not support unless I’m missing something) are powering a pretty good third party experience. If only Apple cared about people who wanted a truly free an customizable computer, they could make a great OS :)
Homebrew is fairly different from pip, cargo or npm in that only python developers use pip, only rust developers use cargo, etc. And those are mostly used to manage libraries, rather than executables.
Meanwhile, essentially everyone who uses the console uses homebrew regardless of what programming languages they might or might not use. I was making a joke about how good, useful and basically required homebrew is.
Wait, what’s up with the escape key? I don’t know much about macs
When they added that stupid touch bar they removed the physical esc key. They brought it back in later models
I assumed that’s the only thing it could mean but literally could not believe anyone would decide to remove the fucking escape key of all things… WTF
EOL support. I have a 11-12 year old System76 laptop. Works perfectly on the latest Ubuntu version.
Their shitty walled garden for both software (iOS) and hardware (soldered components that don’t need to be).
Overpriced.
Fake sense of privacy.
I used Mac OS 6.x through 10.4. When I was in college and couldn’t afford to replace my aging G4, I triple booted Fedora, Mac OS X, and Windows on a hackintosh where I gravitated towards mostly Linux and Windows for a couple games. Owned a couple iPhones but decided to role Android when the nexus 6 came out to save some money when I had my first child on the way and my current phone was dying.
I don’t miss anything I left behind. Had a short stint at work during COVID where I was given a MacBook. While not horrible, I ran into enough nuances I was able to justify to my work using a Linux laptop instead. I just don’t find anything appealing to give them my business.
Apple is an awful company that screws thee customers over every chance they get
But why did they default to zsh?
Because they didn’t like that bash was GPL
Because they are asshats
But really, because of the licenses. Bash went to gpl3.
Agreed. Macs are perfectly fine and capable UNIX machines, really the only problem with them is the price. And yes I get that some people aren’t fans of the UI but it requires no more of a learning curve than, say, GNOME.
But whatever. I’m not even offended by this meme, it’s actually rather factual on the whole, which can’t be said for everything posted in this group.
Being poor hurts. Distributing hurt makes it feel better.
Stallman on why free software is important.
Apple gets hate from everyone. Windows users, *nix users; doesn’t matter. The only ones who don’t hate apple are clowns. Are you a clown?
Mac is proprietary bullshit that’s why. It’s fine for work usage. At home I want to support FOSS.
Also MacBooks are a ripoff. You get 6-8 years of support and then all updates stop. Not worth it when Linux support is indefinite, and even Windows gets you 10+ years.