Apple’s MacBook Pro memory problem is worse than ever::Apple still sells expensive “Pro” computers with just 8GB of RAM and charges a fortune for more.

  • @qwertyqwertyqwerty
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    945 months ago

    The base models (the air’s, not pro’s), should have shipped with 12-16GB standard, and the pro’s should have shipped with 16-24GB standard. I’d argue that a minimum of 24-32GB should really be the standard on something named a “pro” model.

    Apple’s M-based laptops are really great - excellent display, best-in-class speakers, good keyboard, industry-leading trackpad…But 8GB of RAM for $1600? Get out of here.

        • @CmdrShepard
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          265 months ago

          Well that’s not very “green” coming from a company who stopped supplying customers with chargers “because of the environment.” When a hard drive craps out the only solution is to replace the entire board rather than a single part with an industry standard connector?

            • Tiger Jerusalem
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              65 months ago

              Of course not, the “Bios” is stored on the SSD, so if you replace it your computer won’t even boot.

              Oh, and if your SSD dies it won’t boot too.

            • @Patch@feddit.uk
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              35 months ago

              Removing individual soldered NAND chips directly connected to the motherboard, attaching new NAND chips, and somehow getting a working computer out the other end is so far beyond the abilities of most users that it’s not even funny.

              It’s way beyond the skillset of even most computer repair specialists too.

              In fact, in terms of “getting it working again” is concerned, anyone outside of an Apple assembly plant is unlikely to be much use.

              • @Inktvip@lemm.ee
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                15 months ago

                People have done it on M1’s at least. You’ll need a well equipped rework station to do it though, especially since the NAND is essentially glued to the motherboard in addition to solder.

          • Zoolander
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            15 months ago

            They disassemble those replacements and use them to create warranty parts. Apple is one of the few companies that actually does reduce and reuse first. Any parts that fail testing get recycled.

            • @CmdrShepard
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              35 months ago

              They desolder components and reuse them or they scrap old laptops and scavenge the good bits like the screen and keyboard? Assuming someone brings in a laptop with a bad hard drive, what components later get disassembled?

              • Zoolander
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                15 months ago

                All of them. They have machines that strip down the components:

                https://www.elitedaily.com/p/heres-how-apple-recycles-old-iphones-into-new-models-by-using-actual-robots-29961761

                This article is about the iPhone robots but they also have machines that do this with Macs too. Every Apple device is made with recycled content but the majority of their components are reused in remanufactured warranty devices (remanufactured rather than refurbished because refurbished reuses existing whole components, remanufacturing breaks down components, tests them, and reuses them to create entirely new components from working parts).

      • @abhibeckert@lemmy.world
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        5 months ago

        Technically they don’t even have an SSD anymore. They just have a bunch of NAND chips.

        The drive controller is in the CPU. Which is great for performance… especially when you’re reading data that is already cached by the drive controller you’re limited by RAM speed instead of PCIe - but it’s a bit of a headache when it comes to upgrades.

        The band chips are on a daughter board on their larger desktops. And soldered on laptops and the tiny Mac Mini.

      • @qwertyqwertyqwerty
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        215 months ago

        Yes. There is no internal upgradable parts. I believe you can only replace the battery cells, the fans, and the mainboard (motherboard with soldered CPU/RAM(VRAM)/SSD, and all connected modules like the USB chipsets, audio chipset, etc.).

        • Justin
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          65 months ago

          Replacing the motherboard triggers the screen drm and the screen gets all fucked up and won’t go to sleep.

      • MeanEYE
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        105 months ago

        Everything is soldered these days, RAM included, hence the issues and complaints. I find it extra comical that they tried to cheapen on the solder as well, but when that resulted in issues with GPU splitting away from PCB, they glued shoe rubber on top the chip so case pushes it to make contact and called it a “solution”. Haha. Imagine the amount of savings they made on such a wast amount of solder per PCB. It might even approach range in pennies.

        • @GamingChairModel@lemmy.world
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          55 months ago

          It’s not even soldered, they’ve gone further than that. They literally print the memory and storage onto the system on a chip, as part of the fabrication process. No amount of soldering skill will be able to remove and replace that memory/storage, because it’s on the chip itself.

    • @fiah@discuss.tchncs.de
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      155 months ago

      32gb might have been “pro” 5 years ago but not anymore, not when a run of the mill 32gb DDR5 kit can be had for $100

      • JohnEdwa
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        5 months ago

        Apple won’t even offer that for the 8GB models, the best you can do for those is pay $400 to get them with 24GB included.
        And obviously everything is soldered and nothing is upgradeable.

        • @fiah@discuss.tchncs.de
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          75 months ago

          yes, my opinion is that 32gb was the minimum spec for a “pro” system 5 years ago. Nowadays, if 32gb is actually enough as a minimum spec then you’re in “enthusiast” territory in my opinion, not “pro”. Perhaps that’s more telling about my standards as a PC enthusiast though, and about how far PC hardware has come

          • @EliasChao
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            25 months ago

            Disclaimer: I’m in no way trying to defend Apple here.

            Saying that X amount of RAM (or any other component spec for that matter) is not enough for a “Pro” computer is not really a universal truth or something, you can’t compare people running multiple instances of Docker with people doing photo editing or web dev for example.

            Either of those can be “Pros” within their field, their hardware requirements doesn’t make them professionals or enthusiasts. I know I’m being a bit tangential here, but arguing about the “correct” spec por a Pro computer has always irked me.

            That being said, I agree it’s ridiculous that Apple is shipping $1K+ computers with merely 8GB of RAM. Also, it’s known that Apple’s “pro” devices most of the time just mean they’re just their most expensive tier. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

            • @hemko@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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              5 months ago

              Also, it’s known that Apple’s “pro” devices most of the time just mean they’re just their most expensive tier. ¯_(ツ)_/¯

              Your lack of knowledge shows. Everyone with at least 2 brain cells and capability to read can understand that this is just plain wrong.

              Macbook pro for example has a CPU cooler inbuilt (first ever on a laptop BTW)

              • @EliasChao
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                15 months ago

                That part of my comment was a bit of an hyperbole tbh, but it’s also true that Apple just slaps the “Pro” moniker to their most expensive tier without always making them deserve it.

                Before the iPhone 15 Pro series, there wasn’t really much “pro” in the Pro models. Same with the iPad Pro, sure they’re way nicer and higher end, but hardly anything “pro” about them.

                And don’t get me started with the new baseline 14 inch MacBook Pro, with a regular M3 and 8GB of RAM.