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Maven (famous)@lemmy.world to Comic Strips@lemmy.world · 2 years ago

Someone talk to me about Go (the board game). I'm in the process of learning it right now.

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Someone talk to me about Go (the board game). I'm in the process of learning it right now.

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Maven (famous)@lemmy.world to Comic Strips@lemmy.world · 2 years ago
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  • BaroqueInMind
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    The claim that it was invented in China is actually from baseless speculation from a flawed study published back in 1993 from a Chinese university tied to a government propaganda campaign and regurgitated in an essay posted in 2004 that someone cited on Wikipedia in 2014.

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      You’re both wrong. Given it’s combined age and complexity, there is only one rational explanation…

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        “If there are sentient beings on other planets, then they play Go.” - Emanuel Lasker

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      Do you have a source for that? I can’t find any information on it and every Go site lists China including the British Go Association

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        The British Go association is citing gobase.org which is registered in the Netherlands, who is citing a historian named H.J.R. Murray. who said he read a 1983 Watanabe Hideo book where that guy says he saw a picture of a Go board excavated in China back in 1954, that is not possible to correctly carbon date since there was no reports of that excavation having any evidence of organic material collected to properly carbon date and no one has any photographs nor records to inspect of the actual excavation.

        You are literally relying on a Chinese university tied to the Chinese government telling you “trust me bro we invented this” without providing the public any factual info to investigate.

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          As opposed to your source which is… “Trust me bro.”

          They asked for your source, not why theirs was wrong. You still haven’t provided one.

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            I’m literally going through all the citations that are available in Wikipedia and the links OP is posting. You want me to post that shit in a redundant unecessary way? Because that’s actually what I’m doing.

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              No, I want you to provide a source that says Go was invented in Korea. I also checked Wikipedia, and several other sites about Go, because you made me curious, since I had always heard it was invented in China.

              Everything I’ve seen has said it was invented in China.

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                Looks like I misread a John Fairburn book where he says Wei’Qi was invented 1000 years ago and the Chinese lied that they invented it 4000 years ago. Even those claims come from dubious archeological excavations done in China.

                I’m going to dig deeper, but I remember reading somewhere there’s evidence of it actually being invented in India long before it was popular in China, based on the game called Navakankari/Daadi made of small wooden pieces that are less likely to survive archeological records.

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              What’s YOUR source.

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                https://www.usgo-archive.org/brief-history-go

                http://www.usgo-archive.org/files/bh_library/originsofgo.pdf

                https://web.archive.org/web/20130516100351/http://www.usgo.org/files/bh_library/originsofgo.pdf

                https://gobase.org/reading/history/china/?sec=part-2

                https://www.britgo.org/intro/history

                http://www.china.org.cn/english/features/Archaeology/131298.htm

                http://www.intergofed.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016_Go_population_report.pdf

                https://web.archive.org/web/20170517013354/http://www.intergofed.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/06/2016_Go_population_report.pdf

                https://kvk.bibliothek.kit.edu/view-title/index.php?katalog=KOBV_SOLR&url=https%3A%2F%2Fportal.kobv.de%2Fuid.do%3Fplv%3D2%26query%3Dgbv_42296218X&signature=7mESuIuzU4AU21hX3ZEwBRfpY7M8Nlf8rekGnw9uGns&showCoverImg=1

                https://search.worldcat.org/title/54989039?oclcNum=54989039

                http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/moloopy.pdf

                http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/contents.html

                https://web.archive.org/web/20110410143450/http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/moloopy.pdf

                https://books.google.com/books?id=OixuQqUWHbIC

                http://library.msri.org/books/Book29/files/muller.pdf

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                  I don’t know what you were trying to prove here, but not a single one of the links mentions Korea as the birth place, if they worked at all. As you go further down the list, they either don’t work or have access to the content. For the ones that do work, they all start with a variation of the following:

                  Go is one of the oldest board games in the world. Its true origins are unknown, though it almost certainly originated in China some 3,000-4,000 years ago. In the absence of facts about the origin of the game there are various myths: for example that the legendary Emperor Yao invented Go to enlighten his son, Dan Zhu.

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