• @knotthatone
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    793 months ago

    I’m pretty sure the Ukrainians will cease firing once the Russians leave their country and stop trying to murder them.

    • Adkml [he/him]
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      423 months ago

      Here’s a question nobody has been able to answer for me yet.

      Why would Russia abandon a 2 year long military operation they’re winning.

      Literally just because a bunch of American libs said they should online?

      All reports are pointing to it not being the russians that would benefit from a ceasefire.

      • Skua
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        3 months ago

        Nobody expects that they actually will do so willingly. Just that Russia should because, y’know, starting wars to annex territory is not something most people like. That’s why Ukraine should be armed until it can make Russia leave.

        That said, Russia would absolutely benefit from a negotiated settlement right now. This war is taking a lot of Russian lives and resources, so if it can persuade either Ukraine to agree to enough concessions or Ukraine’s backers to stop backing it, Russia could benefit enormously. Even if Russia actually manages to completely overrun Ukraine in the future, actually having to fight to the end will be an extremely costly ordeal.

      • @GenEcon@lemm.ee
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        It was Russia that tried to negotiate a treaty with the US. And the US said ‘fuck you, ask Ukraine, not us’. Its Russia treating Ukraine like a puppet state, not the US.

      • HobbitFoot
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        33 months ago

        What’s the US going to do if Ukraine negotiates a ceasefire?

        • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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          203 months ago

          A coup leading to a more U.S.-aligned government. The U.S. has only done that 100 times, including once in the last decade right there in Ukraine.

            • 420blazeit69 [he/him]
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              113 months ago

              In this scenario, by assuring the coup plotters that the U.S. will keep funding the war as long as they keep fighting it, as opposed to cutting bait with the coup as an excuse. The coup plotters would then accuse the deposed government of treasonously planning a surrender (a mischaracterization, but that’s par for the course) and portray themselves as acting in the national interest. They then keep the status quo of the war, with just a change in management. This would all fit neatly with the anti-Russia/pro-U.S. propaganda Ukraine has been subjected to. Any Russian objection would be written off as lies.

              If Russia tried to support a coup government, that government would be branded as treasonous even if they sought to act in the best interest of the Ukrainian people. The U.S. would immediately seek to discredit and destabilize the coup government, and a lot of Ukrainians would listen as they’re fighting a war with Russia.

            • jabrd [he/him]
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              53 months ago

              Zelensky just removed Zaluzhny from heading the military because Zaluzhny was getting too popular and becoming a political threat. Important to point out that Zelensky has called off the elections that should be happening right now and that there’s growing dissent for his administration due to how poorly the war is going. Also worth pointing out that Zaluzhny has ties to the far right militias of the Ukrainian armed forces and flaunted this fact when Zelensky first tried to have him removed. It would be very easy for NATO to back Zaluzhny and his right wing thugs (the same ones that took part in the maidan coup) against Zelensky if Zelensky breaks with the West’s wishes. US intelligence agencies are very good at pulling at threads of existing dissent to create chaos and oust difficult political leaders

      • @Lucidlethargy@sh.itjust.works
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        23 months ago

        This entire response here was ostensibly in respect to Ukraine.

        From the article, which you clearly didn’t read:

        A U.S. official, speaking in Washington on condition of anonymity, said that the U.S. has not engaged in any back channel discussions with Russia and that Washington had been consistent in not going behind the back of Ukraine.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]
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      293 months ago

      Because no fighting was happening in Ukraine before the Russians entered the country, right? The war just fell out of a coconut tree?

    • D61 [any]
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      173 months ago

      Aren’t Ukrainian drones attacking Russian civilian targets now?