• Barry Zuckerkorn
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            48 months ago

            Well, it worked out for Google when it federated with Jabber, who first open sourced XMPP.

          • Avid Amoeba
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            268 months ago

            There’s even less privacy if I have to have the WhatsApp app installed on my phone to send that message.

          • @InfiniWheel
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            138 months ago

            You have the big plus of not having the WhatsApp app installed and snooping around with all those permissions it has.

            • @muhyb@programming.dev
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              118 months ago

              Yes, the “delivering” part would be E2EE. Do we really know the afterwards if they can read their users’ messages? They probably can.

              • @falsemirror@beehaw.org
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                118 months ago

                Whatsapp CANNOT read messages when e2ee is enabled, this client-side snooping was discussed when the protocol was first implemented. Whatsapp collects a ton of metadata and social graph info, but not message content.

                • @blackstrat@lemmy.fwgx.uk
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                  48 months ago

                  Well you type messages in in plain text and they decrypt it to show you the messages at the other end. So they can do the nefarious processing on the client side and send back results to the mother ship. E2EE is only good when you trust the two ends, but with WhatsApp and Messenger you shouldn’t trust the ends.

                  • @sunbeam60
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                    18 months ago

                    At the end of the day, you’ve got to trust someone. I’m 200% convinced meta mines the social graph, of course they do, and provide access to law enforcement with a pro forma request. But I’m also 199% sure they don’t actually read your messages once unencrypted, reencrypts them and sends them as hidden payloads or does something else with it. The damage, should it be discovered, would be untold.

                    And while I don’t trust Meta on a lot of things, I know enough people there to realise that if they did that it would leak.

              • @n2burns@lemmy.ca
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                58 months ago

                Sure, but any messaging app (including Signal) could have these backdoors in place. Heck, there’s even vectors for unrelated apps on your phone to read this data once unencrypted.

          • @ViciousTurducken
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            Them being nonprofit has nothing to do with the pursuit of marketshare. Plenty of nonprofits want to maximize marketshare. Them being nonprofit means they are mission-driven.

            And what is that mission?

            Per the Signal Foundation’s website:

            Protect free expression and enable secure global communication through open source privacy technology.

    • @spdrmx@beehaw.org
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      138 months ago

      Not if signal doesn’t want to support WhatsApp, and I don’t think they’re going to unfortunately :(