Israel, with full US backing, is destroying the entire concept of international law. ICJ? ICC? Security Council? All worthless.

Yes, American foreign policy affects the entire world, and right now America is letting Israel lay the groundwork for World War III.

I would never under any circumstances vote in favor of genocide.

I’m not going to gamble with Trump’s fascistic Plan 2025.

fascism is already here in effect if not appearance. the president wants to pass an extremely draconian immigration bill and is simultaneously backing the wholesale slaughter of Palestinians. you need to understand that for all intents and purposes Biden is as bad as Trump, even on minority rights. the lip service from Democrats about book bans and abortion restrictions is worthless because they refuse to step outside the bounds of liberal norms to actually defend oppressed people.

American foreign policy affects the entire world.

And you think Biden’s foreign policy hasn’t been a much bigger catastrophe for the world than Trump’s was? How can you post so good on economics and MMT and China and then post this kind of liberal dredge?

The palestinian people enduring a holocaust surely must be happy that a fascistic plan wont be happening. That would suck

We already have fascism. We are just at the “and then they came for me and there was nobody to speak out” part.

Anyone who doesn’t feel the weight of the American jackboot on their neck come from a position of privilege

I don’t understand why people are so adamant about not voting for Biden

damn i wonder if it has anything to do with the genocide he’s doing

Death to America

I don’t know if I should say this, but it is becoming quite clear to me that Western leftists are more interested in moralizing the issues than to actually build a revolutionary movement. Perhaps this is why there are so few left wing movements left in the Western imperial core? I don’t think they actually want to win and take power. I’m not saying this is the main problem, but certainly worth thinking more about it.

Ok this doesn’t make any sense in the context of voting for Biden and the Democratic Party, the left will NEVER win voting for the dems which should be clear to anyone who’s been alive these last forty years

Biden’s victory in 2020 obliterated the American left and the Sanders movement that gave it steam, ironically the only one moralizing here is the person demanding we vote for a genocider because Trump will hypothetically be worse or god forbid “unpredictable”

I am more than comfortable throwing the democratic party in front of the Republican bus and buying the left time to properly organize without the disgusting kayfabe of the DNC splitting our movement, if the dems are serious about their opposition to Trump than they will be forced to split the establishment and weaken the imperial structure overall and if they’re just bullshitting and will happily go along with Trump’s fascism then the swathes of radicalized youth that will create will aid our movement too

Either way that is far more strategic than making deranged ahistorical comparisons with the CPC’s relationship with the KMT during the Sino-Japanese War

Because for some of us, watching Palestinians be murdered is enough for us to be adamant about opposing Biden. How many dead kids does it take for you to even understand someone else holding a grudge? Is it that unbelievable?

So, your point is that it would be easier to do anti-imperialism under Biden than Trump, but if Biden is a much more ruthless imperialist than Trump, wouldn’t the greater ease of anti-imperialist action cancel out the greater ruthlessness of Biden? So functionally, there’s no real difference between Trump (harder to do anti-imperialist work but the chief imperialist is more incompetent) vs Biden (easier to do anti-imperialist work but the chief imperialist is more competent).

And you are not going to win me over with the moralizing argument. I am biased by the history of the Chinese communist movement. The CPC had to collaborate with the KMT to fight against fascist Imperial Japan - the very same KMT that had just massacred 95% of the communist party cadres during the Long March. Do you know how fucking humiliating that is to the communists at the time? But Mao was built different, he could see the bigger picture, and knew how to steer the weak movement towards survival, and ultimately victory over the much stronger KMT. This was how we won, and why China is ruled by the Communist Party today. If you don’t know how to survive and play the long game, you won’t even make it past the infant stage because the capitalist class will instantly choke the infant to death in the cradle.

Your argument falls apart because the KMT has already taken up arms against the IJA, proving that they refuse to be collaborators. And this is of course only the faction of the KMT led by Chiang Kai-Shek since the faction of the the KMT led by Wang Jingwei openly collaborated with the Japanese. If you want to say that the Democrats are like the KMT, then they are like the part of the KMT who were Japanese collaborators. Democrats and Republicans are part of the same government in the same way Japanese occupiers and Chinese collaborators were part of the same colonial government.

An actual equivalent of the KMT who fought against the Japanese in the US context would be something like the Nation of Islam. The NOI are hardly socialist and have Malcolm X’s blood on their hands, but they also have pushed back against the national security state in a limited capacity. And they have their own paramilitary called the Fruit of Islam. This is why Kwame Ture always tried to build a united front between the NOI and other pan-Africanist groups. Various other lumpen groups like gangs could also have potential as unlikely allies in a united front.

Mao wasn’t supportive of the United Front for most of the time it existed. The Comintern had to drag him into it and he still kept sending urgent letters about how they needed to break with the KMT. The South Anhui Incident happened after Mao repeatedly warned about it. Mao and Enlai never fully got over what happened, and it wasn’t just humiliation at the hands of the KMT, but at the fact that they had to obey the Comintern even when they felt that their mentality was still correct.

People tend to over sell the willingness to collaborate in a united front, but there is a decent amount of evidence that Mao was ready to kill Chiang in the Xi’an incident. According to Edgar Snow Mao was enraged at the order to let him go, and Enlai implies that it was out of discipline that they listened, not that they agreed (Snow’s Private Notes on China pg 1-3 and Wu, The Sian Incident pg 101). But regardless, when the KMT did shit that was fascistic or collaborationist, you know what the CPC did? they fucking FOUGHT them. They did not maintain the alliance no matter what, they didn’t simply play the long game like you want to imagine. They had lines and when those lines got crossed, they pushed back HARD.

When the KMT ordered both Communist armies to fall back to pre united front borders and surrender. Mao was requesting being allowed to do a preemptive strike as of November 7th 1940. Chiang assembled 200 thousand troops to invade CPC territory in preparation for an expedition if the 4th and 8th armies did not shrink and leave the front lines.

Mao then sent this in Jan of 1941 after the fight broke out

In accordance with an order by Chiang Kai-shek, our Fourth Army, numbering over ten thousand men under the command of General [Chen Yi?],258 is moving north from the southern Yangzi River region but was surrounded by a ring of seventy thousand troops sent by Chiang Kai-shek. Bloody fighting by both sides has been under way for eight days and nights. In the northwest more than three hundred thousand troops are already concentrated, surrounding the border region of Shanxi-Gansu-Ningxia, around which have been erected military blockade installations stretching for several thousand versts.259 The danger exists that our army will be completely destroyed. Simultaneously Chiang Kai-shek has sent more than twenty divisions, which have deployed in a broad offensive against our partisan army bases in four provinces: Jiangsu, Shandong, Anhui, and Hubei. They are preparing mass arrests and mass murder on a China-wide scale. The reactionary atmosphere is extremely serious. We are preparing in political and military terms to direct an energetic counteroffensive against such a broad offensive as is being waged by Chiang Kai-shek.

Even Dimitrov agreed with Mao’s stance here after having said to avoid a rupture on Jan 4th, writing to Stalin that the United Front cannot exist under those conditions and concessions to Chiang must be halted until he acquiesces

No matter how grave and perilous the position of the Chinese Communists, they cannot let the criminal attack on the Fourth Army go unanswered and cannot fail to defend themselves against the armies of Chiang Kai-shek now attacking the Eighth Army and the Special Region. Thus, if Chiang Kai-shek does not suspend the aggressive actions being taken by his generals, large-scale internal, internecine war will inevitably flare up, which, of course, could only favor the Japanese. In the interests of avoiding such an internecine war, alongside possible means of influencing Chiang Kai-shek through the Soviet network, the appropriate campaign should be undertaken in America, England, and other countries that would be able to exert a certain pressure on the Chinese government and to a certain degree influence Chinese public opinion. I submit that that campaign ought to be conducted through two avenues:

1. By exposing the criminal actions of the Chinese reactionaries, who are disrupting the unity of the Chinese people in its struggle against the Japanese invaders, in the foreign, China-sympathizing press.
2. By directing protests to Chiang Kai-shek from friends of the Chinese people (various societies, organizations, prominent public figures) and appeals to him and to the Chinese people not to allow the unleashing of internecine war and a schism in the united anti-Japanese front, not to allow the Japanese to conquer China “by the hands of the Chinese themselves.” We can communicate instructions on organizing that campaign to our comrades through entirely secure channels.

Mao refusing to stand down, and essentially causing a break in the United Front by standing firm led to the KMT having to give up, save face, and embarrass itself as the response from everyone including the US per Roosevelts direct pressure was that Chiang was in the wrong. Mao did not simply play the long game and turn the other cheek like you are implying, the takeaway here is NOT that communists should go with the flow.

The Communist won the civil war in no small part because they gained overwhelming support from the populace after events like the South Anhui Incident. You are a fool if you think it is moralizing to say genocide is a line in the sand. If you were actually biased by the history of the Chinese Revolution you would see these examples of the Communists standing their ground and not putting adherence to a united front over what was the correct political and strategic line.

But even if none of this nuance existed that you are just overlooking and painting the Chinese perspective as a singular thing, that would still not change the fact that you are comparing combatting an active invasion alongside fellow countrymen with supporting genocide. You are talking about collaborating not just with people you hate, but with a holocaust as it happens. You are not the brilliant Chinese communist making the tough call in 1937, no you are a fool defending the outright slaughter of Palestinians and collaboration with fascist genocidaires. You are not Enlai, you are a fucking Iron Front member.

Again, enjoy the blood bath, plenty of time to think about the long haul while the corpses pile up around you. fascist fuck

Yeah I just noticed. It’s kinda wild how it’s moralizing to be against genocide, but apparently it’s not moralizing to use a misunderstanding of Maos collaboration nor is it moralizing when you mention fears of persecution of LGBTQ people (as if they aren’t already persecuted).
Using these as a rhetorical cudgel is apparently not moralizing, it’s in fact materialist. Not wanting to support an ongoing genocide is moralizing.

Its her turn

Lol? This has to be bait and I can’t believe I’m gonna take it - but fuck it I’ve got time.

I prefer America stop waging war all over the world resulting in millions of civilian casualties. Trump is the only President in decades who has delivered on not starting new wars.

I mean, officially sure - but you seem to be forgetting that Trump literally boosted civilian causalities in Afghanistan by like 300% during his time in office and killed 700 Afghan civilians in 2019 with airstrikes alone, which only pales in comparison to the number of Afghan civilian deaths due to coalition airstrikes in 2001.

What about Iraq & Syria? Airwars lists over 13k alleged civilian deaths during Trump’s term in office from US & coalition airstrikes.

Does that mean nothing to you? I mean - yeah, Joe Biden has perpetuated the conflict in Gaza and is directly responsible as the figurehead of the US government for its support of Israel’s murder of 30k civilians, but he isn’t personally signing off on the airstrikes unlike Trump in Afghanistan.

Not to mention the fact that Trump was the first President to use the GBU-43/B MOAB in an Afganistan airstrike - literally the most powerful non-nuclear bomb the US possesses.

I haven’t even mentioned Yemen (86 civilians were killed in Trump authorized airstrikes/raids there between 2017-2018)

If you prefer America stop waging war all over the world and bringing untold horror to the lives of innocent people - maybe don’t vote for Trump either??? I mean, I’m certainly not telling you to vote for Biden but it sounds like you’ve rationalized Trump as some sort of ‘salt of the earth populist who says nasty things’ rather than what he actually is - a bourgeoisie figurehead war-criminal beholden to their corporate lobbyists and political parties like every other President.

Highly recommend you log off and turn off any televisions or other electronics & go outside and get some sunlight for at least 3 hours - you’ll probably realize how dumb your comment is after you’ve gotten some vitamin d in your system!

Brother, Trump put the entire world at risk of a huge war when he decided to kill Soleimani because reasons, tf are you talking about?

Bait. The idea that Trump is a dove candidate is just ignoring how much he expanded military operations and drone killings worldwide. He was just politically savvy enough to understand that you just have to be quiet about it, and then voters will just give you a pass. The Dems are also bloodthirsty, but just dumb enough to do it out in the open during an election year for a cause that is unpopular.

yea you’re a fucking moron who thinks the right wing of the bourgeoisie is gonna help you any more than the left wing does. Let’s just forget how rabid the Republicans are for war with China and Iran b/c you think your big wet boy isn’t a sociopath, just like the blueMAGAs think about theirs

Trump only did these things because he’s incredibly incompetent and even then he still managed to put us at the brink of nuclear conflict several times. Biden sucks ass and balls and does not deserve a vote, but that does not make trump good by any stretch.
By voting for him you endorse his actions. If you endorse trump, you’re an idiot

And what party was in charge that started the wars in the Middle East?

Rfk is as shitty as trump or biden, but you do you sweaty

LMAO, love how federation now brings us chuds who think we’re libs to go with all the libs who think we’re chuds