The US seriously needs to halt all export of weapons to Israel. They’re enabling them to start a massive war and painting a target on themselves in the process.
I’m assuming the US wants to have some proxy wars in the Middle East though.
why? this is literally only bad for America, both economically and foreign policy wise.
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A large portion of the us economy functions most effectively during a war effort.
the last time this was true, it was only true because the America government had gone into a planned economy for WW2
Im failing to see how its bad to sell old stockpiles for big bucks and replenish with more advanced weaponry.
we already did that, that’s where the Ukraine aid came from, we don’t got much more to sell off
Foreign policy is also questionable considering nearly every direct ally of the US is selling weapons to israel in one form or the other.
not to such a degree, also Israel is one of the big arms producers, if you exclude military aid from the US, they have been selling more than they have bought
The west benefits heavily from a destabilized Middle East.
how? higher oil prices? that’s a detriment to the “western” economies and a boon to nations like SA, RU, etc… that’s why Russia has been trying to increase the oil prices, because they know it will harm western economies
I’ve said this before, but I believe Israel is eager to use their nukes and the US is appeasing them. It’s the only way I can wrap my head around this.
I’m probably wrong, and am not professionally informed.
Israël has nukes?
Yes.
Great, just another mentally unstable world leader that can start nuclear war at any given moment when they finally completely lose their sanity.
Yep, it’s one of the many reasons Iran and others are so interested in uranium enrichment… To be able to have regional MAD or similar.
MAD?
Mutually assured destruction.
Its a nuclear arms concept check it out
They don’t deny having them is the official stance.
Either that or the risk of extremist terrorism from their far-right.
It’s neat how ‘western media’ is more than America. You know that, right?
Yes. What is your point?
Can you give us some enough examples of “western media that is more than America” calling out the genocide with the right weight and not playing the “we don’t think what you are doing is wrong but we have to save face to retain the illusion of credibility” game at the moment? Even BBC that first said it wouldn’t take part in sided labeling of groups openly said they caved in to the pressure of calling Hamas terrorists in their news about them, all the while Israel was bombing hospitals, housing units, aid delivery locations and trucks, ambulances, children and teens moving back their houses for food, shooting elderly people pleading for their lives?
Fucking hypocrites you all.
Have you noticed how the articles keep mentioning the Oct 7 first, something that happened 6 months earlier, then goes on the passively call “Palestinian deaths” and not tie to Israel directly, in their titles at least? That is what me and all the people are criticizing the western media about. Direct perpetrators and blame is pointed when it is Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran, Houthis, or any other Muslim population, and indirect, passive voice is used when it is something the western politicians support. Even goes as far to picture only structural damage rather than how hundreds of people are found killed by Israel’s unproportionate, deliberate and zealos attacks most of the time.
Have you noticed how the articles keep mentioning the Oct 7 first, something that happened 6 months earlier, then goes on the passively call “Palestinian deaths” and not tie to Israel directly, in their titles at least?
I have not actually, the first link starts with:
Life remains dire for displaced Palestinians in Rafah, a city near Gaza’s border with Egypt. Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has now set a date for a planned offensive.
October 7th is mentioned in the latter half, as context as to why Rafah has so many people there currently. And it also mentions how Israel’s military told the civilians to evacuate to the south where it would be safer, but:
Rafah was supposed to be a safer place, but it never was, said Loay Fareed, who has been displaced multiple times with his family since the war began.
“There are bombings almost every day, and the frequency is increasing every day,” Fareed, 46, told DW via telephone from Rafah.
If you want the finger pointing directly:
Israel’s siege of the enclave has led to the onset of famine, particularly in northern Gaza, according to aid agencies and the United Nations.
The second link mentions October 7th because it’s literally giving an overview of the state of the region in the past 6 months. And it is literally showing pictures of dead Palestinian children.
The third link does not mention October at all.
The last link mentions October at the end for a 6 month statistic where it is said by name that Israel killed Palestinians:
At least 29,782 Palestinians have been killed and 70,043 injured in Israeli strikes on Gaza since 7 October, the Gaza health ministry said. In the past 24 hours, 90 Palestinians were killed and 164 injured in Israeli strikes, the ministry said.
“The Israeli government is starving Gaza’s 2.3 million Palestinians, putting them in even more peril than before the World Court’s binding order,” Omar Shakir, the Israel and Palestine director at Human Rights Watch, said.
“The Israeli government has simply ignored the court’s ruling, and in some ways even intensified its repression, including further blocking lifesaving aid.”
And this is just stuff I found after scrolling the above media websites for like 10 mins in total. There is no monolithic “western media” entity that repeats the same lines as almost all ‘criticism of western media’ implies. Some are objective, some are biased to a one specific side, some to another, some are just crap.
But whatever the case, it is demonstrably not true that no popular media in the west is reporting on the massive killings and destruction performed by Israel, that they all just ignore or downplay it.
Mentioning the Oct 7 as background:
Any attacks from the other side rarely has direct finger pointing to their background as Israel’s run of Gaza as open-air concentration camp, which it has been for quite some time. I’m not going to go in to egg-or-the-chickem of the whole decades long conflict, even tho I can discuss it, but the background is almost never direct as “IDF using unproportionate artillery, airstrike, drone, tank munitions on civilian concentrations” when it comes to Israel’s actions. Whether in title or as context, most if not all western articles basing the situation with the start as unprovoked Hamas attack is absolute double standards in showing recency, relevance and intensity.
On the finger pointing:
How is “large-scale offensive” not any distanced and cold, simply unbiased as all new should be? And what is “siege” anything but downplaying the aid blockade, blockade against leaving, bombing anyone trying to leave, bombing both aid-seekers and aid givers, shelling and bombing any and all buildings whether there are any confirmed or unconfirmed civilian/Hamas population inside?
I agree that western media isn’t monolithic. But even so, they are mostly aligned together when it comes to applying double standards in distanced reporting and hot-headed reporting, frequency, background, further context and speculation depending on the groups involved. Hence the hypocrisy. It may not be as blatant and amateur as some other media does or did, but it is nevertheless sinister. Whether completely but intent, or being pushed to do so by pressure.
France24 is the only foreign news channel we get over here in MiidleOfNowhere South Africa (because reasons), and I’ve been watching their coverage of Gaza with interest. If their “news” is to be believed, the bombs falling on Gaza and the bullets raining down on Palestinians trying to get food from aid trucks is spontaneously created out of thin air and not launched or fired by anyone.
Western mainstream media is as hasbara as fuck.
Reuters and the Guardian, two primary Zionist outlets that have massively pushed israeli propaganda over the last 6 months and are famous for their favourable language for israel…
That’s your source? Here is The Guardian today filled to the brim with propaganda. "Iran attacks, warns israel about “retaliation”. Classic Zionist reversal of cause and effect. Somehow Iran is the party destabilizing the region now.
And Reuters of course features videos of the main IDF Hasabara spreader just talking. No video footage of the missiles. Exactly what we need to see shove that propaganda in my face baby.
Israel acts on behalf of Western colonialism. It is just one step removed from the direct colonialism of the 19th and 20th centuries. The hypocrisy is not that hard to understand. It would be simpler to understand it as just another Crusader kingdom.
Israel will run the same course the Crusader Kingdoms ran before it. From religiously motivated to geopolitically necessary to the eventuality of becoming a liability and then collapsing. We are just witnessing Israel tip from geopolitically necessary to a liability, it is happening but not yet. Of course, there will still be the Christians zealots like Mike Pompeo who will support Israel even if it meant a nuclear apocalypse.
Aren’t they mostly freaking out because this could be the start of this getting much worse?
ikr? who woulda thought western support for indiscriminate bombing of civilians and land takeover could be start of something much worse? It should have totally gone similar to US invading Vietnam, Afghanistan and Iraq. Without consequences.
but you think now’s the start, huh?
Never said things aren’t bad right now. Not sure how ya even got there? Things are absolutely disgusting and everyone supporting this can rot in fucking hell. I am saying people are freaking out at this because, as bad as things are now, they can always get fucking worse.
Shame they didn’t freak out earlier. Maybe before the Israelis decided it would be fun to start bombing embassies and other countries for no reason.
Not really. Iran declared their retaliation complete. Netanyahu took out the IRGC commander he was going for in the embassy attack. There’s no reason to expect this to escalate.
This world is not binary like your “smart” memes.
Binary good. Non binary bad. Easy.
I’m sick of you liberals who intentionally overcomplicate stuff to the point I no longer understand them and then you call me dumb and do whatever you want. MAGA!
Attention: huuuuuuge /S
Thank you for enlightening us about the nuance of Genocide.
Sure! Shades of grey! Iran’s government sucks; I hope every day that the people rise up and hang them. But genocide is bad. The only way to stop a genocide once it’s in full swing is to kill the fuckers doing it until they literally cannot continue-not until its not worth it, until they can’t.
And this was shitty people who work for assholes who deserve to die killing vicious inhuman monsters comitting every warcrime in the book and double checking to make sure they’re at 100% completion each month, then posting about it on social media). These are some of the worst most vicious monsters humanity ever produced (not that they’re still human), and anybody who tries to kill even one gets points in my book. There is no amount of dead perpetrators of genocide or chattel slavery that is unacceptable, and no condition of killing them that is unacceptable. So maybe this is the one time its not cool to shit on the current Iranian regime?
Biden already told Israel the US will not join Israel in a counter-striker and has asked Israel to take the interception of most of the attack as a victory and let it go.
That doesn’t sound like much, but Bush or Trump would have already hit Iran by now and escalated everything.
Biden blocked UN condemnation of the israeli strike on the embassy and according to an israeli journalist America spent 1 Billion dollars to intercept the counter attack from Iran.
Biden provides israel with the jets and weapons to bomb Iran and defends israel against any retaliation.
I would imagine that Americans are chuffed that genocidal Israelis are safe while they can’t get health care.
I. Fucking. Wish.
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You do realize that in that context “Take the missiles being intercepted as a victory and back down” is a threat to let the misses through next time if Israel doesn’t back down.
Stopping the missiles in this case was a pure win for the US. We kept innocent civilians from dying, made Iran look weaker, and kept Israel from having a stronger excuse to start fighting more neighbors.
It’s taking longer than we like, but more and more people are coming around on this issue. If those missiles had landed, it would have undone 6 months of progress and all political progress towards reigning in Isreal would have ceased.
Iran never intended to overwhelm air defenses. The only launched a few hundred drones. The iron domes weakness has been obvious since oct7. Just overwhelm it with cheap projectiles.
This was a well calculated response from Iran that did show retaliation but not cause escalation. I wouldn’t call it a US win is it is what Iran intended. Still very expensive for the US.
Iran and the US have both been pretty savvy in recent conflicts. Iran’s response to Trump’s assassination of a general back in 2020 was one of the best I’ve seen. They launched an attack on an empty portion of a US military base so they could say they retaliated without giving the US cause to do anything else.
Of course they fucked that up right afterwards by shooting down a civilian plane…
Iron dome can’t do shit against ballistics, ballistics need much more expensive interceptors.
Anyway, Iran did penetrate their defenses with Kheybarshekan Hypersonics which aren’t even the latest generation, in case of a real war Israel will be fucked thoroughly
And that’s why you shouldn’t pay american taxes. Just fucking don’t.
This comes across as if you’re angry Iran’s strike didn’t do more damage.
I am! The only good Nazi is a dead Nazi.
Irancs government sucks shit, I hope their people overthrow them and the whole leadership swings, but credit where its due; they’re killing Nazis. Everybody gets points for killing Nazis, except other Nazis (except on purpose, then they get points)
I am.
Providing weapons is wrong, but defending them isn’t.
A billion dollars is fuck all if it stops Israel escalating. Harder to do that if Tel Aviv has a bunch of craters in it.
Biden would have too without his balls in a vice. The leaders are all the same; its the pressure on them that matters.
“the leaders are all the same” “biden can be influenced to do different things” “heehoo politic”
They kind of are? The decisions they make are similar?
Biden didn’t do shit to stop the Missouri AG from getting a list of trans patients from planned parenthood. Those people are going to be persecuted either way.
And on Palestine their positions are even closer, except I think biden actually believes in it, whereas trump doesn’t believe in anything-on this one issue, he might genuinely be better, because pressuring him would be easier.
Politics does not include elections. This is why policies supported by the majority of Americans (single payer, legal weed, legal abortions (was it only early or including late that like 70% support?) And cutting aid to “Israel”) support are not law. Because Americans do not apply pressure.
attacks iran
expect them not to retaliate
Of course they expect them to retaliate. That’s the entire point. That’s why they attacked in the first place. They need Iran to be the boogeyman counterpart in the “help! We’re being threatened!” narrative that keeps the extremes in power in both Israel and Iran.
Everyone was very much screaming guy when Israel hit the Iranian embassy. It’s not who’s doing the bombing that’s the difference, it’s that Israel and Hamas bombing each other happens all the time, Iran and Israel bombing each other is a step level up in intensity, evidence of a growing war.
No not at all. Everyone was mostly focused on white people getting murdered by israels Genocide. It was a truly eventful day of israeli war crimes after which Joe Biden still fully supports israel and doesn’t place restrictions on arms usage.
More like American media was focused on white people killings.
To an American, none of these people (Israelis, Iranians, Palestinians) are white. I don’t know why it even got brought up alongside select headlines of the day.
The world central kitchen aid workers are who people are referring to as white
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Yeah not in most of America.
I’ve also not yet personally met a person that equates an American Jew with an Israeli.
In all honesty, every American Jew I know has always made fun of Israelis as a kind of “other”. Like how Americans make fun of the British. There’s a relationship there but you’re not the same.
Israelis are middle easterners, and no middle easterners are white to an American. That doesn’t mean we don’t pick sides like we did with Saddam… twice.
What the fuck did I say about american Jews?
Kapo trash have invested a lot of media and capital in the idea that they are white. The original settlers were Europeans. They do white supremacist shit like sterilizing Ethiopian Jews who come in. They’re very invested in the concept of whiteness. Kind of a conscious national project emulating what irish-americans did a century or so ago.
Yeah my experience with American Jews relating to those fuckers is that reactions range from embarrassment to outrage.
You’re the only one equating the two. Please stop. You’re going to get someone killed by an idiot who doesn’t understand the difference and thinks they’re doing a good thing. What the fuck is wrong with you?
That is incorrect. Biden stated that he contacted Netanyahu after the attack and insisted on diplomatic response. There is no reason to expect this to escalate.
This is incorrect. Bidens words are empty and mean absolutely nothing. Two weeks ago:
Biden has not placed any restrictions on arms. His empty hypocritical words mean nothing as his actions show the opposite.
Those goalposts heavy?
The only other time Biden pressed Netanyahu was after the aid workers attack. He said they needed to open more corridors to aid immediately. The IDF opened three corridors the next day. Words are all Biden needs at this time. He should use them more.
There are already restrictions on the arms. They are required to be used within international law. I agree that the IDF should be held accountable for their misuse.
That is incorrect as well. Israel lied about opening a corridor
A border crossing from Israel into northern Gaza remains closed a week after Israel promised to open it for deliveries of aid, as a top US official warned that famine has begun.
And forced trucks to split their loads in half to double count them
Israel said 419 trucks entered Gaza on Monday, while UNRWA said only 223 trucks had come. OCHA says the Israeli count is for the half-full trucks that enter the Strip, while the UN count is of the new convoy of re-loaded, full trucks that then complete the delivery.
“Trucks that go in, screened by COGAT, are typically only half-full. That is a requirement that they have put in place for screening purposes. When we count the trucks on the other side, when they have been reloaded, they are full,” he said.
So aside from israel faking numbers not much has changed. The famine has officially started.
Aid ‘still not reaching Gaza’, as top US official warns famine has started
A key port has not been opened to aid shipments, and a new crossing into northern Gaza has officially opened but UN agencies are not yet allowed to use it, even though they provide the vast majority of food aid for the territory.
You can’t really condemn Hamas (for offensive actions. Their treatment of other Palestinians isn’t great). They’re killing Nazis. Killing Nazis is always good. If you think otherwise, you are a Nazi.
The problem with that thinking is how easy it is to call someone a Nazi (or a terrorist) to legitimize killing them.
Okay what do you call inhuman genocidal racial supremacist nonsense monsters, deep into fascism, treating a list of atrocities as a to-do while exterminating a group of people who never harmed them until the genocide started for fantasy nonsense reasons, and trying to murder the very concept of truth while they do it to cover their asses and keep the heat off of their giant concentration camp, using the justification that they ‘need the space’?
They’re Nazis.
Add it to the list of words that mean nothing now.
Says the Nazi.
See now there’s the problem of your use of the word. It has lost all meaning and weight.
It doesn’t bother me in the slightest to be called that by you after seeing how you use it.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
There is no such thing as being a Nazi because of pointing out other people’s possible misuse or abuse of the word Nazi, just like pointing out the misuse of the word Terrorism doesn’t make one a Terrorist.
I’m starting to think that you’re hasbara making clearly derranged uses of the word Nazi to indirectly help Israel by diffusing the point that Zionist behaviour is the closest there is to Nazi behaviour in the modern era.
If you’re not, then try and not reduce your thinking to one word slogans that you hammer into everything (like a square peg on a round hole) so as not to destroy valid arguments for yourself and others.
no but Nazis do like to accuse other people of being themselves, and live five have here. its like their favorite trick. and I’m so done being gentle about their identities. I’d like to avoid splash damage to other groups, and I think I’m reasonably careful to do that, but explain the difference between a modern Zionist (I’m aware there are historical versions of the idea that involved zero genocide, and haven’t existed since before television was a thing) and Nazi in practical terms. not in their nitpicks or specific stated goals, but their effect on the world. now explain why I should care about the feelings of either group.
yeah nothing makes hezbollah seem reasonable quite like hezbarah does. they’re using modern tactics to try and murder truth and fuzz everyone’s decision loops.
So by your logic, because I disapprove of massacring people dancing at a music festival I am now a Nazi, and you consider my murder to be a good? Is that your pitch?
They were colonists dancing on stolen land. The people they stole it from killed a few of them. They probably still had the keys to the buildings from when they lived there.
I don’t really care what they were doing. You could make a moral argument if I killed them, but anything any Palestinian does to any “Israeli” is always justified as self defense, under any conditions.
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This is so factually incorrect its blatant racist propaganda.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestinian_Legislative_Council
Hamas is a political party that electorally seized control of Gaza in in 2006 from Fatah, Yasser Arafat’s party. Fatah rebelled against Hamas in 2007 and lost. Yet Fatah is still has 45 seats to Hamas’ 72 on the PLC.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)
Nice little excerpt for you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Gaza_(2007)#2006_Palestinian_legislative_election
The Palestinian legislative election took place on 25 January 2006 and was judged to be free and fair by international observers.[18][19] It resulted in a Hamas victory, surprising Israel and the United States, which had expected their favoured partner, Fatah, to retain power.[20] On 27 January, US President George Bush said “the landslide victory of the militant Islamic group Hamas was a rejection of the “status quo” and a repudiation of the “old guard” that had failed to provide honest government and services”.[2]
That last line from Bush is surprisingly correct. Hamas is effectively the Palestinian branch of the Egyptian Muslim Brotherhood. Their primary tactic is actually charity work by feeding the abundant poor people of Gaza and radicalizing them from there.
Nothing you said conflicted with any of my points, lol
and were not even elected, they literally just took control
The Palestinian legislative election took place on 25 January 2006 and was judged to be free and fair by international observers.[18][19] It resulted in a Hamas victory
They’re thugs, they don’t represent Palestinian, but by giving credence to their organization
Literally the most popular political party in the West Bank and Gaza.
Do you believe in justified massacres more broadly too? Would Sahrawis slaughtering Moroccan settlers or Kypriots killing Turkish settlers also be good things?
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I think theres an active ongoing genocide, and the lives of the inhuman monsters doing it cannot be a concern if you want it to stop.
everything else has been tried and tried and tried. the only fix left is killing them until they can’t. not until they promise to stop; they’ve shown their promises are worth less than nothing. until they can’t. until there are no more veteran or military age “Israelis” who aren’t crippled (i mean missing limbs, not bone spurs. ‘cannot run or accurately fire a weapon by any stretch of the imagination’ crippled) left to continue the genocide.
and then we, as a fucking world, need to do something token to making it up to the Palestinian people. start with returning every inch of their land, building them all the infrastructure bombs we bought have destroyed over the years, offering them free educations in every university in the world, and doing whatever the PTSD treatment equivalent of the fucking Berlin airlift is.
Who is the arbiter of when there is an “active ongoing genocide”? Who do you trust with the authority to kill and cripple entire populations? What happens when the Israelis are defenseless and the Palestinians come for revenge? Will that be a genocide? Should they be killed and crippled too?
prickly question, big question, but not relevent here: in this case, you dont need an arbiter; they all brag about doing it. they’re not even hiding it anymore. lookupany Zionist shutzstaffel butcher’s social media, you’ll see video evidence, posted in public by the guilty party. their command structure says it. their prime minister says it. its in the songs they teach their vile spawn. they dont just deny it; they shout it from the mountaintops so loud it could damage my hearing.
the “Israeli” needs to be killed or crippled to stop them from killing Palestinians. at the end, there must be no such thing as an “Israeli”.
what the Palestinians do to any “Israeli”, or what they decide to do to these masses of non-persons on their land his nice it’s returned is up to them, and I can make no moral judgment.
they could, as many likely will, jack themselves off about forgiveness, and make an effort to raise the remainder or ship them off to international relatives or something. I think that would be foolish, but its not my place to say.
they cod shackle them in cages and become the go to global spot for organ transplants, and I’d applaud their practicality.
they could dig a giant hole, and put every last one of them there, or grind them up for fucking fertilizer, and finally make that bullshit about ‘making the desert bloom’ ever so slightly true.
the point is I dont care. once you surrender your humanity, it is gone. you no longer count as human. the effort to kill you may not be worth it, but your deaths moral cost changes, irrevocably, to zero-or less.
The music festival bit again lmfao
I can prove with the videos how Hamas didn’t start that, but instead let me tell you that the philosophical stance here is that if you go to a place where active genocide is happening, and there is a literal concentration camp merely kilometers from you, it is exactly the same as propping up a music festival in Auschwitz or Nazi’s death camps in Poland.
As such, I stand that those people are fucking scum and shouldn’t be cried for. Fuck them
I’m a Nazi, you’re a Nazi, everyone who disagrees with them is one. That’s how it works now. The word has lost all meaning.
I think if youre running a giant concentration camp and trying to murder truth, while exterminating people for fantasy nonsense reasons, and literally going down the list of atrocities as a to-do list, youve earned it more than most.
I think you are worst then nazis for celebrating the events of October 7.
Leadership of my country has been calling for a ceasefire and reduction of violence since the beginning. Great to see that we’re lumped in with the Americans regardless.
Which one? A western one?
Western nations condemn Iran attack on Israel, issue statements of solidarity
It is possible to condemn both this attack and the embassy strike, just as it is possible to find the October 7 attack an appalling act of barbarism without wanting kids killed in retaliation
Yes. Yes it is. It’s just wildly unpopular to be empathetic without a side of hatred these days.
Thank you for being a caring and moderate tempered person.
If you think israel bullying everryone is super cool and deny the victims of israeli aggression their right to retaliate then sure.
So Hamas killing kids is a-okay?
No it’s only okay when israel does it. When Hamas does the same thing is when we discover morality.
Also a reminder that israel has on average killed more Palestinian kids every single day since Oct7 than Hamas did on Oct7 in total.
I’ve been the one saying nobody should be killing kids the whole time
That’s really cool if there were more people saying that would not even exist. Because the only reason they exist is in response to israel killing children.
Sadly we all decided to collectively ignored israel killing kids for 75 years so it starts feeling a little hollow when we criticize others for doing it.
Luckily Hamas only had a 3% child casualty rate on oct7 because they took care to avoid killing children (this is even including israeli friendly fire).
Compared to israels horrible Genocidal 40% child casualty rate in Gaza with worlds most advanced weapons it’s really weird that people keep painting Hamas as child killers.
Nobody said that
No man… if a kid is getting bullied and beat up by another kid and he snaps and fights back why would you be mad at him for defending himself?
There are 70 nations in the west. Based on the content of their comment, I’m guessing Canada.
For those who are still under the illusion there is equal coverage of both sides;
Isreal bombing Iran got one front page spot for one day. People “died” passively,
Irans counter attack got the front page for three days straight. And we now see words such as “Attack”.
Obviously? Like, this is how war and geopolitics has worked since the invention of the pointy stick.
Whether you like them or not, Israel is an ally and Iran is a self-proclaimed enemy of the Western world.
An enemy jumps in on a war and bombs one of our allies, you expect no reaction? Duh
If those are “our” allies, “we” deserve to die too.
You are not (hopefully. Is your last name Windsor? Hapsburg?) Your government. They do not exist for the people. You are being taken advantage of and identifying with them is not reasonable or healthy.
Another idealist who has mixed up “allies” with “friends”. We don’t need to approve of anything our allies do, or even think that they’re good guys. All that “allies” means is that they would have our back, just like we have theirs, against our common enemies.
This is because “enemies” in this case refers to nations like Iran, who hate our entire way of life and aren’t afraid to say they would like to see us all dead. It doesn’t matter to them if you think your government represents you (I certainly don’t) but if you believe we deserve to die, why not offer yourself up?
You might get lucky and get thrown off a building, or a fairly quick beheading with a dull-ish knife. Or less lucky, and get roasted alive in a cage over a fire, dragged behind a vehicle, or hacked into various pieces.
“We” are allies with Israel only because they are a shining light of sanity in a region that could otherwise be classified as “batshit insane”
First off, “Israelis” are like the most backstabby traitorous monsters ever. They have no loyalty, read a fucking history book.
Second: theres a fucking line. Stopping genocide is near the top of my priorities list. The point of having allies would be to do that more easily.
The Iranian regime (mostly not the people. This is very much an imposed government that rules by terror, which means its one small political faction, ans they hate me ~20% less than their american counterparts, who ate more numerous and want me equally dead. They don’t care, and pre revolution were very very culturally similar to Americans. Even now it’s recognizable) hates the American government because they supported the mad king who tortured the shit out of everyone, who they overthrew during the revolution, and continue to support the “Israelis” who are an existential threat. Yeah they’re islamofascists, but half the US government is christofascist, basically the same assholes. If I met a random English speaking Iranian, we’d probably be able to get along. If I didn’t, we’d probably shrug and ignore each other until somebody ran a translation app.
Yeah the Iranian goverent wants me dead. So does about half the american government. There are places I can’t go. I have friends in red states that are scared of being lynched (burned on a cross or hung as strange fruit, bit functionally the same). Weirdly though; the Iranian government, while homophobic as fuck, has state healthcare and isnt transphobic about binary transitions, so outside of the coasts, they’re kind of better. Not, like, enough that it matters to me, but marginally less bad.
“Israel” is even remotely sane
Okay youre tripping pretty hard, talk to me when you’re sober and have any clue what the fuck youre talking about.
And who the fuck is this “we”? The us governments interests are not aligned with my own, or anyone I know.
Edit: week old account, 1100 comments. This person is perpetually online. They don’t know anything about real life
defending the Iranian government
you didn’t read what I fucking wrote did you? but you do make a pretty good case.
nothing makes Hezbollah look reasonable quite like hezbarrah does.
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Well, all I could think today when hearing the head of the European Commission (a German, by the way) criticize Iran’s attack “in the stronguest terms” and restate her unwavering support of Israel whilst not having said a pip when Israel attacked the Irani Embassy, is that she’s doing Russia’s work at convincing the Global South that Europe and its allies are two-faced racists that can’t be trusted, which will have implications for, amongst other things, the support when it comes to Ukraine (which is globally seen as an European problem).
Way to put the security and even global influence of Europe on the noose for the sake of a supremacist ultra racist country run commiting a mass genocide along etnic lines.
You know it’s really interesting how all the Zionist vitriol and pro Biden onslaught disappears on weekends and it’s the takes that subscribe to consistent logic and ethics that rise to the top…
Lolwut
Yeah almost like they’re normal people who have lives
You have 23 downvotes. What does that say about your comment?
Country that murders school girls vs country where it’s fine to be openly gay
Last time I checked israel killed more school girls than every country in the world combined for the past four years.
Gaza: Number of children killed higher than from four years of world conflict
And israel doesn’t allow gay marriage
And israel blackmails gay Palestinians into becoming spies
Any information that might enable extortion of an individual is considered relevant information. Whether said individual is of a certain sexual orientation, cheating on his wife, or in need of treatment in Israel or the West Bank – he is a target for blackmail.
If you’re homosexual and know someone who knows a wanted person – and we need to know about it – Israel will make your life miserable.
Last time you checked?
Iran hangs Kurds by construction cranes on such a scale some crane companies stopped sales.
Just Google Iran public executions. You people are full of shit and hypocrites. Yes, yes you’re anti western, so just go to Iran and let’s see how fast you’ll reverse your opinions.
Did I claim Iran did not do that? I pointed out that his positive claims of israel in his “vs” were completely false. Not sure how that makes me the hypocrite.
You’re anti western, so just go to Iran and let’s see how fast you’ll reverse your opinions.
Apparently being an islamophobic Zionist means you can lie about the crimes against humanity committed by israel and when someone calls you out they are a “pro Iranian hypocrite”.
One of the core foundations of Fascist propaganda is that when you are critical of the acts of the Fascists they always (yeah, always) claim that you’re a supporter of one their enemies.
One could spot that Zionists were just traditional Fascists well before all this because they’ve always used such extreme “you’re with us or you’re with our enemies” framing.
OK tankie scum
If you did any more stretching you’d become a kite lol
Despite Israeli incompetence at warfare their values are much more tolerant than murdering school girls for taking their hats off, stoning girls for being raped, murdering people for leaving their religions. Not even touching the whole idea of martyrdom where the muslim culture glorifies suicide murder.
No other culture has this. None. That’s not something the west needs fixing - it’s muslim cutlure that needs to unify and reject these absurd and evil ideologies and finally drag themselves into 20th century.
Oh look there it is You’re just here to spread blatant lies and islamophobia.
Israel is the party that has a child murdering problem
You’re conflating war casualties with cultural incompatibility on purpose to dismiss my point with your sad strawman which leads me to belive that you’re either extremely ignorant or you’re an useful propaganda idiot. Do not reply to me and enjoy steweing in your pointless anger like a loser you are :)
Gaza isn’t a separate country but I thought they were pretty homophobic, at least a bit more than Israel. Neither has gay marriage so I’d say neither really wins there though Israel is like so far ahead of Gaza in the killing kids department, I don’t think Hamas could kill that many kids even if they had nukes.
The country that literally invaded Israel to murder civilians during cease fire could not murder more people with nukes?
Man no amount of intentional satire could top this unintentional stupidity. Well done! 👏 👏 👏
Israel’s child death count is basically unbeatable at this point as I said.
You need some history lessons
Is someone bombing Israel right now? Im confused.
Israel bombed an Iranian consulate two weeks ago killing some top military officers. It did not receive much news coverage and America blocked condemnation of it at the UN.
Last night Iran launched a counter attack and bombed the israeli air bases that hosted the F35s F16s. Now and our entire collective political landscape loses its mind
Poow babies.
The government of Iran is shit, but even shitty people can do the right thing by accident, as shown here.
