Basic blender went bad (motor ran but spindle wasn’t rotating). I wanted to disassemble to see if it could be repaired. Three of the four screws were Phillips head. I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth. It was a slotted spanner.
What brand?
Yeah we should be shaming companies that do this sort of shit.
OP, please tell us which brand designed this. I’d love to know to stay away from their crap as much as possible.
All of them.
Kenmore
Can less
Barbieless
There is a screwdriver that you can get at the hardware store for this type of screw. You shouldn’t have to, I definitely agree. But fuck ‘em, repair your shit with the $5 screwdriver.
Comon, do some reading:
I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth.
The screw head was at the bottom of a 2 inch shaft.
They didn’t have to cut shit.
You are quite spammy, aren’t you?
No, the shaft was not uncovered as a result of cutting the thing open. They were able to reach the screw-head with a regular screw-driver, just not turn it. Says right there in the post.
Learn to read, stop spamming people with your shit takes, and sure, let’s pretend replying to your copy-pasted bullshit with more copy-pasted bullshit is somehow worse. Anything to feed trolls like you.
Which was discovered AS RESULT of cutting open.
You are quite spammy, aren’t you?
No, the shaft was not uncovered as a result of cutting the thing open. They were able to reach the screw-head with a regular screw-driver, just not turn it. Says right there in the post.
Learn to read, stop spamming people with your shit takes, and sure, let’s pretend replying to your copy-pasted bullshit with more copy-pasted bullshit is somehow worse. Anything to feed trolls like you.
hahahahahaha, about three years ago now, I bought a hunting knife from Amazon that came with a sheath which had a belt clip that was held on by one of these fucking screws.
at the time, i couldn’t figure for the life of me what it was or if there was a tool for this so I went to Home Depot, bought a .99 cent flathead our of their bargain tubs, took it to their tool rental department where they also will cut metal for you if you ask nicely. had them make a notch in the top of the flathead, brought it home and after some filing got it to get in there and loosen up this devil screw top.
now i know it’s called a U or H type screwdriver. my way was cheaper, but nice to know the real solution now.
Wow, doing a MacGuyver with corporate assistance. I like it!
That belt clip is there to make the knife technically legal in some areas. A 3"+ blade can’t be concealed by putting it in your pocket, so the workaround is to have the clip showing on the outside of your pocket, making it visible. That’s why they use screws like that. At least that is my understanding - I could be wrong.
a belt clip that was held on by one of these fucking screws.
Wow. This needs to be shown to all “ThIs Is FoR yOuR sAfEtY” idiots.
Just a basic security screw. It’s so kids (and people who don’t know enough about repairing appliances to know about security screws) don’t disassemble the dangerous machine.
Though it should be noted this does raise the bar above most people, especially on a budget, single use tools are hardly ever worth it.
Arguably more dangerous things have easier screws too, like electricity outlets
Grinding a notch into a flathead screwdriver is annoying but it’ll still work fine as a flathead even afterwards. I would probably just grind the bulge out of the screw though.
In this case the screw was at the bottom of a narrow slot, and they only found it after breaking things.
They didn’t find the screw by breaking the blender. They were able to reach it with a screwdriver before that, just not the right one. They broke it because they were too impatient to find a way to look into the hole and then find, make, or buy the right tool.
But they’re in no way single use.
I have a set of these that was part of a larger set of precision bits I was buying anyway. I’ve only ever used one of the security bits in like a decade of having them. I wouldn’t have bought the security bits alone.
That’s more than some sockets or crescent wrenches I have from sets. I don’t know that I’ve ever used an 11mm of either.
I can’t say personally any of my appliances have had this screw, so again relative to someone not doing this for a living it very well could be
It’s a blender… As long as it’s unplugged you’ll be fine.
PLUG IT IN UNDER WATER!
Well your blender problems would be over at least.
Don’t forget to use your toaster as a bath toy at the same time.
Seriously. I’m not sure why people think it’s so dangerous. Unplug it and remove the blades. Its just a motor for God’s sake
I think the concern is that you would re-assemble it with the safety bypassed, not that you would harm yourself while disassembling the appliance.
Comon, do some reading:
I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth.
Phone camera; $30 digital microscope; $30 Endoscope. There are just so many better ways available to look down a hole to see what’s at the bottom than to tear apart the space around it.
Spanner bits are available in sets starting as little as $7. They are anything but “non-standard”.
Harbor freight has sets of tamper resistant bits. They are also handy for regular Allen and torx heads.
This right here. I bought their security bit set and, true, I’ve only ever opened the case three times in the few years I’ve had it, but in those three times nothing else would have worked without a more destructive solution
Here’s the link, it’s helped me out a bunch of times in the 6-8 years I’ve had it.
2 notes though
- these are hard cheese grade metal. Don’t plan on removing any high torque, Rusty or partly stripped screws with them, they’ll either break or round off.
- if the screw is too recesses down a narrow hole, these won’t help. The bit holders are too wide to fit in. I have a Honeywell Air Purifier with one security Torx that is 3-4” down a hole that this set failed me on.
Just to add to your comment, the sell a smaller set for a few dollars less and also a “precision” screwdriver set that has some similar bits not but the full set. Both are very handy to keep around for this exact thing.
It’s called an “H-type” head. I found some tools for that on eBay but was reluctant to spend any money on something I’d probably never need again, ever. But this video shows a hack using scissors.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GA6_S9YkZEc
I didn’t have a pair laying around that worked but the video inspired me to MacGyver my way to remove that aberration against all that’s good in humanity.
in a case i only needed it once, i would solder or power glue something to it to use as a wings handle.
… but that’s just me. I’m like eccentric MacGuyver.
Buy a security bitset! It is surprisingly handly to have around. Sometimes, I’ve needed a certain screw size that they don’t have in imperial, but they do have in metric at the hardware store. But it’s a security bit only.
They also work on regular, non security bits in a pinch.
Comon, do some reading:
I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth.
Phone camera; $30 digital microscope; $30 Endoscope. There are just so many better ways available to look down a hole to see what’s at the bottom than to tear apart the space around it.
Spanner bits are available in sets starting as little as $7. They are anything but “non-standard”.
If you haven’t already, look into getting a ratcheting screwdriver with replaceable bits, and a pack of various bits for it. Idk where I got it, but I’ve got all kinds of screwy bits (including the H-bit head) that I need very infrequently, but I’m always happy when I do and I already have it.
I think the bit pack I got was for the security torx and it came with a bunch of other stuff.
A complete set of security screw bits is ~20 bucks and they’re far more useful than I realized until I acquired them.
I think this was at the bottom of a deep hole, as you can see where the plastic was cut around it. A standard bit and holder wouldn’t fit down that, I don’t think. What the other guys said about a flathead and dremel/grinding wheel is the only option really, but you’d have to be able to ID the little fucker first.
Comon, do some reading:
I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth.
Do some comprehending. Yes he had to do that. But it was because he was using the wrong bit.
Phone camera; $30 digital microscope; $30 Endoscope. There are just so many better ways available to look down a hole to see what’s at the bottom than to tear apart the space around it.
OP didn’t have to handle it how they did, at all.
He had to see which bit to use
Phone camera; $30 digital microscope; $30 Endoscope. There are just so many better ways available to look down a hole to see what’s at the bottom than to tear apart the space around it.
That can be accomplished non-destructively.
A grinder to the center would make that compatible with a flathead screwdriver.
Your gonna need a teeny tiny grinder. Maybe a dremmel?
Everyone should have a Dremel. Damn thing is so useful.
Everyone should have a bit-set that includes standard spanner bits. Especially in this community.
They really are and they’re not prohibitively expensive either. Use mine all the time.
At that point you might as well just do it to the screw instead and use the normal screwdriver.
Grab a dremel tool and make that piece of shit into a flathead
I’d use my dremel to finish the slot that was only partially cut.
Or use the dremel to cut a slot in the end of a flat screwdriver.
That’s a flathead with a bead welded in the middle. Source a local dremel, some earplugs and eye pro, and do some quick converting.
Oh wait I think I understand the image. You had to saw the plastic apart to expose the screw. Yeah fuck those dudes. I guess another option would’ve been to get a cheap screw driver and modify it with a dremel? Either way, fuck Kenmore.
That’s a standard spanner-head screw. No welding required. The bits and drivers are not so hard to come by, or make.
Oh wait it think I understand the image. You had to saw the plastic apart to expose the screw. Yeah fuck those dudes. I guess another option would’ve been to get a cheap screw driver and modify it with a dremel? Either way, fuck Kenmore.
Wait… Oh.
They didn’t have to do anything destructive to “expose” the screw. They were too lazy to find a better way to see the bottom of the hole it was in.
If you have a Dremel, I bet you could take out the center bit and use a regular slotted screwdriver.
$10 says it was recessed before op cut the base off, making it impossible without damage to slot the screw with a Dremel.
So you use the dremel to cut a groove into your screwdriver instead.
👆
Where’d you get such a big brain
Edit - ah, since you can’t see the screw until you cut away at the product, the company is still going to frustrate even the crafty DIYers
make a print with a bit of putty on a stick ?
Great idea! Much more reasonable than trying to get a fiberoptic kind of camera down there.
$30 bucks. An endoscope is $30 bucks, and well worth it.
Damn, I didn’t even think of that. It would be ruining a good screwdriver, but you could just use an old worn flat-head drill bit.
Good call, either way.
At that point, just buy the correct bit for the job.
The security bit is doing it’s job. If this is a barrier for someone, then they aren’t the kind of person who should be playing with the internals of a dangerous electronic device.
a dangerous electronic device.
i feel like if someone has the capability of bitching about a security screw on the internet, they probably have the intelligence to unplug a blender from the wall.
If this is the standard for security screws, hex/torx will almost certainly do it’s job, but significantly better.
This is the same person that had to smash open the device like a caveman banging rocks together. Posting a rant online instead of just buying a security bit isn’t a good second step either. OP may certainly be the exact type of person to keep out: bold enough to try to break open electronics, but stopped by a fairly standard security bit.
but stopped by a fairly standard security bit.
Did you read post. Before writing was best time, but second best is now.
Here’s quote if you have eyesight like mine:
I had to cut the casing open in order to discover why I couldn’t unscrew the fourth.
The screw head was at tho bottom of a 2 inch shaft.
They didn’t have to cut shit.
Which was discovered AS RESULT of cutting open.
You are quite spammy, aren’t you?
No, the shaft was not uncovered as a result of cutting the thing open. They were able to reach the screw-head with a regular screw-driver, just not turn it. Says right there in the post.
Learn to read, stop spamming people with your shit takes, and sure, let’s pretend replying to your copy-pasted bullshit with more copy-pasted bullshit is somehow worse. Anything to feed trolls like you.
maybe caveman want motor out of blender, and screw is hinderance to motor collection. Don’t judge a mans cave by the lack of blenders. Judge it by the principles held within!
Regardless, security bits are a skill issue, and i will not stand for them. They make cars with traditional bolts and nuts, those are perfectly accessible to the average person, yet people killing themselves with their bad car repairs, is disconcertingly low. They’re bad for repairability, they’re bad for the environment, and most importantly, they waste time and money for no fucking reason.
Seatbelts tend to be held in with Torx-head bolts. Right bicycle pedals have left-hand-threaded studs. Spanner-screws are a standard you’ll find drivers for in any good security or electronics/small-appliance repair set.
Odds aren’t that far off that this screw was chosen for their blenders decades ago when this screw-driver was more common, and this one part was never updated as the design … “evolved”.
i’ve got no problems with torx (it’s one of the best driver designs) and nothing wrong with left hand thread, as you said, it’s needed for bicycles, but using proprietary “security” bits is just, less than acceptable in the modern day and age.
Though i am inclined to agree with you on the design theory, it’s more than likely they have billions of those little proprietary things kicking around in a warehouse, and there’s just no reason for them to get rid of them.
Shit take.
I mean a blender isn’t exactly the worst things to have security bits on.
Really? It seems to me that if you believe blenders should be tamper-proof, you must believe that all appliances should be.
A single tamper proof screw that all that’s required to remove is knowledge… Yes. Unfortunately stupid people try to do things they shouldn’t and that single screw removes an idiots ability to sue after they screw with things they know not.
and that single screw removes an idiots ability to sue after they screw with things they know not.
It’s not how it works…
That’s exactly how it works and honestly this photo series is a pretty good illustration of why it works.
Or they could just not be able to sue a company for being an idiot 🤷♂️
There’s the way the world works and the way the world aught to work according to xyz.
One is reality the other isn’t. Realistically if you don’t expect a security screw when taking apart dangerous electronics you probably shouldn’t be working on them.
The tamper proof screw is NOT there to protect you, It’s there to discourage repairs plain and simple. A warning label is more than adequate on other blenders, why not this one? In fact, there are plenty of dangerous devices I can think of that don’t need to be locked down to prevent lawsuits. A lawsuit would require negligence on the part of the manufacture and while you’re trying to say by not locking it down it could be considered negligence you’d be wrong. Otherwise I could quit my job and just file lawsuits all day. Let’s not try to defend these companies that engineer planned obsolescence into their products. All they want is to be the sole repair option (big profit margins) or have you buy a new over priced high markup item. Nevermind the waste generated by hrowing away perfectly good products that a simple easy repair would fix.
The tamper proof screw is NOT there to protect you, It’s there to discourage repairs plain and simple.
Point to where I said it was there to protect you. It’s quite literally to avoid lawsuits putting the screw there implies it’s meant to be taken apart by a professional, not Ted down the street who stopped school in third grade.
All they have to do is point to that screw and the lawsuit dies then and there no further action.
It’s also not planned obsolescence in this case, it’s a barrier to repair. Literally a hoop too small to jump through that catches the dumbest of the well meaning. It would be planned obsolescence (arguably) if it prevented repair, it doesn’t it simply complicates it. It’s the same reason your seatbelt part ≈00 is held down by a large torx t50-60 and no longer a 15mm bolt.
It’s quite literally to avoid lawsuits putting the screw there implies it’s meant to be taken apart by a professional, not Ted down the street who stopped school in third grade.
You got it so backwards…
Madison, I’m not really sure what you’re argument is here. Let’s look at your seat belt argument. Torx (or star bits as they’re now called since Torx is a brand name) has become a ubiquitous standard in the automotive world and absolutely irrelevant to the poor point you’re trying to make. Auto makers use star bits because they enable a rounded dome shape that is smaller and requires no space around the bolt head to accommodate a thick socket. You may have assumed it was to prevent removal but no auto maker has ever declared that as a reason. Considering that even basic starter tool kits come with star bits these days I’d say that makes them a poor choice as a lawsuit prevention method. There are too many other “dangerous products” out there that don’t have silly screws and yet somehow are able to avoid frivolous lawsuits. I’m not sure why defending this practice is the hill your want to die on but making repairs difficult to avoid a lawsuit is something only a sucker would believe.
You lost me on the seatbelt thing. What’s going on there?
Personally to me I think we need to stop idiot proofing everything.
I’m not saying remove all safety standards or warnings but we’ve gone too fuckin far to the point a complete moron has to be protected and treated like a child which just holds the rest of us back.
I’m all for having less idiots but reality differs.
Excuse me, I thought this was America!
