I mean the man is directly responsible for blocking several Supreme Court justices from being appointed while Obama was president, which led to roe v wade being overturned so uh, Moscow Mitch couldn’t drop dead any faster in my opinion.
I am not going to reply to everybody. But most of the comments - yours too - underline my point.
For me, politics is about creating something better together. Alienating others in the way that’s being expressed here achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
One big problem with American politics is the polarization between the individuals who should be collaborating. You too are part of the problem with this approach and almost every comment in this thread is just fuel for the fire for someone else.
Mr. McConnell’s legacy is the exact opposite of “creating something better together.” That you cannot acknowledge this shows how little you understand politics in the USA.
This is some enlightened Centrist bullshit and you know it.
When someone has been instrumental in the dismantling of democracy in this country, you don’t get to play the “be nice!” card. There is no meeting in the middle with guys like him.
When one side is pushing the extremes, is it really fair to meet in the new middle?
Look around, Helen. American politics can’t get much worse, so if it’s a bloodsport they want, it’s a bloodsport they’ll get.
If you think the answer is to be as morally bankrupt as you think your opponent is, you are ignoring your own supposed values.
edit: How very, very convenient that you don’t even live in the US and so you’ll never be directly affected by Mitch McConnell’s actions and have the luxury of finger-wagging at those of us mired in his shit, all the way from the other side of the fucking ocean. How very convenient indeed.
Your are right. But American politics have a way of being everyone’s business and influence a lot of people - people from the EU included. I see this influence on our political system, and it is not pretty. The idea about not playing by any rules is just sad; if you have no compass you are truly lost and don’t really work for anything.
Side note: I am amazed that you think my nationality excludes me from having an opinion on this. It highlights the problem with a community called ‘politics’ on lemmy.****world only about American politics - and apparently only for Americans.
Nobody is saying you can’t have an opinion on it. They’re saying that the ignorance of your opinion is explained by that fact that this asshole’s boot isn’t on your neck.
If you think the answer is to be as morally bankrupt as you think your opponent is, you are ignoring your own supposed values.
This isn’t about values, it’s about winning. I gave up on values because all it got me was a bunch of symbolic but feckless victories. My wife’s life is in danger, my black friends are having their history rewritten, and my gay friends now have to worry about the validity of their marriage thanks to values-oriented thinking. I’m fucking done with that chapter. From now on I only care about what I can win for them.
Your are right. But American politics have a way of being everyone’s business and influence a lot of people - people from the EU included. I see this influence on our political system, and it is not pretty. The idea about not playing by any rules is just sad; if you have no compass you are truly lost and don’t really work for anything.
Nice of you to say when you’re not living under the yoke of people who won with no principles and no values. Meanwhile in this world…
Side note: I am amazed that you think my nationality excludes me from having an opinion on this. It highlights the problem with a community called ‘politics’ on lemmy.****world only about American politics - and apparently only for Americans.
The beauty of free speech is that you can have an opinion on this, and I can have an opinion on your opinion. Namely that it’s bullshit and irrelevant. But keep spouting by all means. Meanwhile I’ll wipe the blood off my wife’s uterus and try to figure out the next tactical step I can take to keep her safe. Hope the scene’s not too gruesome from your moral high horse.
I will not be shamed into being civil to people who are literally trying to get me killed. You may think this is hyperbole but for women who have even intermittently functioning uteruses, the rollback of Roe v Wade can get you killed. Get an ectopic pregnancy or certain kinds of complications in the wrong state and the doctors will delay or even refuse treatment. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if we started seeing violent attacks by grieving widowers and orphans.
You are never getting that from Mitch McConnell, or any other Republican holding office for that matter, because they’re not even in the same zip code of what your view of politics is. They want to create something that makes them and the people that donate to them rich. More recently, part of them have turned straight fascist.
I would love to have a sane other side to negotiate with, but as a Millennial there has never been a sane other side. Only these profiteering nut bags that have courted the kind of people who want to see anyone who is not a straight, white male of Christian faith heavily restricted by rule of law.
I mean the man is directly responsible for blocking several Supreme Court justices from being appointed while Obama was president, which led to roe v wade being overturned so uh, Moscow Mitch couldn’t drop dead any faster in my opinion.
I am not going to reply to everybody. But most of the comments - yours too - underline my point.
For me, politics is about creating something better together. Alienating others in the way that’s being expressed here achieves absolutely nothing. It creates no improvement, only more hatred and division.
One big problem with American politics is the polarization between the individuals who should be collaborating. You too are part of the problem with this approach and almost every comment in this thread is just fuel for the fire for someone else.
Mr. McConnell’s legacy is the exact opposite of “creating something better together.” That you cannot acknowledge this shows how little you understand politics in the USA.
This is some enlightened Centrist bullshit and you know it.
When someone has been instrumental in the dismantling of democracy in this country, you don’t get to play the “be nice!” card. There is no meeting in the middle with guys like him.
When one side is pushing the extremes, is it really fair to meet in the new middle?
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If you think the answer is to be as morally bankrupt as you think your opponent is, you are ignoring your own supposed values.
Your are right. But American politics have a way of being everyone’s business and influence a lot of people - people from the EU included. I see this influence on our political system, and it is not pretty. The idea about not playing by any rules is just sad; if you have no compass you are truly lost and don’t really work for anything.
Side note: I am amazed that you think my nationality excludes me from having an opinion on this. It highlights the problem with a community called ‘politics’ on lemmy.****world only about American politics - and apparently only for Americans.
Nobody is saying you can’t have an opinion on it. They’re saying that the ignorance of your opinion is explained by that fact that this asshole’s boot isn’t on your neck.
This isn’t about values, it’s about winning. I gave up on values because all it got me was a bunch of symbolic but feckless victories. My wife’s life is in danger, my black friends are having their history rewritten, and my gay friends now have to worry about the validity of their marriage thanks to values-oriented thinking. I’m fucking done with that chapter. From now on I only care about what I can win for them.
Nice of you to say when you’re not living under the yoke of people who won with no principles and no values. Meanwhile in this world…
The beauty of free speech is that you can have an opinion on this, and I can have an opinion on your opinion. Namely that it’s bullshit and irrelevant. But keep spouting by all means. Meanwhile I’ll wipe the blood off my wife’s uterus and try to figure out the next tactical step I can take to keep her safe. Hope the scene’s not too gruesome from your moral high horse.
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I will not be shamed into being civil to people who are literally trying to get me killed. You may think this is hyperbole but for women who have even intermittently functioning uteruses, the rollback of Roe v Wade can get you killed. Get an ectopic pregnancy or certain kinds of complications in the wrong state and the doctors will delay or even refuse treatment. Frankly, I wouldn’t be surprised if we started seeing violent attacks by grieving widowers and orphans.
You are never getting that from Mitch McConnell, or any other Republican holding office for that matter, because they’re not even in the same zip code of what your view of politics is. They want to create something that makes them and the people that donate to them rich. More recently, part of them have turned straight fascist.
I would love to have a sane other side to negotiate with, but as a Millennial there has never been a sane other side. Only these profiteering nut bags that have courted the kind of people who want to see anyone who is not a straight, white male of Christian faith heavily restricted by rule of law.
You wouldn’t happen to be a white, cis, male, would you? I ask because you seem to have a somewhat abstract concept of what politics is.
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