Firefox’s Enhanced Tracking Protection (Strict Mode) is known to cause issues on x.com
There were no “issues”; everything was working completely fine. This is a deliberate decision to force people to turn off tracking protection.
I saw a recommendation to use Firefox’s container extension https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/containers, but it’s disabled in private browsing windows, and I always use private browsing windows.
Stop using twitter for f*cks sake
This is the internet; you can say “fuck” here.
Sir this is a Wendys, go rant somewhere else for fucks sake
Excuse me, I’m going to have to ask you not to curse here.
this is a Christian Minecraft server
Who are you to assk
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I always thought it was “fuck’s sake”.
If you read what I posted and thought I was ranting, I’m not sure what to tell you. Touch grass for fuck’s sake?
Don’t do that it’s annoying. If someone doesn’t want to write out curse words, more power to them. It doesn’t inconvenience you in the slightest. It’s just a patronizing comment that has been made into a meme.
Can any late teen-early 20s armchair philosophers once-over this for me?
I have a theory. Never before on the internet (going on 30 years of it) have I seen so many curses used but not fully spelled out (‘f*ck’ for example).
I believe the change has to do with social media and specifically short-form video apps (Tiktok, IG Reels, Youtube Shorts) - not all of which I am familiar with, but I know at least YT and I believe TT does as well. When curse words or words like rape and murder are used in text (or ‘subtitle’ text on screen) the video reach can be penalized in some way. I assume it’s similar in comments.
So you have a ton of the younger generation consuming hours each day of censored curse words, and in their mind it becomes just what you’re supposed to do, socially. They end up doing it with each other over text, and consequently in comments. I have a younger co-worker who will gladly say “F*ck that dude hes a b*tch” in group chat, and when I asked him why he doesn’t just say the words he’s using, he said “I just don’t like to curse.” Which makes no sense to me, as it’s the same word and intent.
I know some Lemmy instances will remove words, but generally only ‘bitch’ and derogatory slur words.
So I hypothesise it’s simply unexamined social conditioning, where they see their peers doing it so they do it too, never questioning why.
Makes sense. It’s the USAtion of the world. Their puritanism is spreading. Wouldn’t surprise me if people started censoring themselves when saying “moist”, but getting excited when talking about guns, wars, and bombing the middle east.
I’m sure that factors in, but people censoring their curse words online has been going on for decades, as has the refrain “you can curse on the Internet.“
[Grandpa Simpsons voice] Back in my day, we used to say “pr0n” instead of “porn” to avoid keyword spotters, and saying it that way just got to be a habit. Nowadays e.g. twitch comments auto-mods have block lists. I think kids just do the same thing.
What’s funny is when you’re watching something like an AI summary of a movie on youtube, it’ll use euphemisms like “self-delete” instead of “suicide” and “naughty place” instead of “brothel” to avoid the algorithm penalties you mention.
That’s true, there is the Scunthorpe problem. I guess we’re just doing another 20 year cycle like we have for all of civilization. If someone centuries in the future finds this comment chain, please name the solution to your 20 year repeating fractal math problem something like the CockSyn Solution. I want to be like Shadow from American Gods. Or more accurately like Pythagoras with his stealing murder cult.
Its happening with “killing” or “dead” being subbed for unalive too. I don’t inherently think its bad, just culture moving forward and changing how it always has. “Its simply unexamined social conditioning where they see their peers do it so they do it too never questioning why” Thats just society, friend. Why does anybody do anything?
I’m 36 and don’t understand plenty of young people’s shit now, but that doesn’t inherently make it scary or bad. I don’t really have a point here I guess, except that we should strive to not be the old men who yell at clouds about “those damn kids.” Life and time marches on, things change, and thats fine. 🤷
Unalive etc came about as a way to skirt TOS violations and demonitisation.
I’m aware, but it’s made its way into peoples vocabularies IRL as well.
There are other things that get self-censored due to filters. The two that I’m thinking of are “suicide” and “murder” (which a lot of people reword as “unalived” or “committing game over”).
Another one that I saw was a history summary channel I watch on YouTube couldn’t get monetized because they kept mentioning Hitler (in a video about the end of WW2) so they had to keep saying “the toothbrush moustache having Austrian man” to get around the censor.
As another poster said, we used words like pr0n, and one that I personally have never used either of that replaces the “er” ending of a word with “a.”
Hell, half of the time we used l33tsp33k was to avoid using specific words.
This is not a new thing.
I’ve never had the experience of seeing young people refrain from using curse words. It’s usually as people grow up they see it as an immature way to communicate. I personally use them a lot, but in formal settings I certainly don’t. Some people simply don’t turn the switch on and off and elect not to use them so much. I don’t think that’s such a bad thing even if it’s not how I operate. It’s up to each of us how we want to communicate, so frankly, I just don’t concern myself with it.
As for people self censoring online, I have seen that since my old messageboard days when I was a kid. “You can curse on the Internet“ is a pretty old meme. Literally decades.
People who see it as an immature way to communicate won’t use the words at all. People who are actually immature despite growing up will use the word and think it makes a difference if they put an asterisk in there instead of spelling it out.
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I am not judging people for using profanity, I am judging people for thinking fuck vs f*ck makes a difference.
Good, maybe the people who do it will be shamed into shaping up or shipping out.
Don’t tell me not to do things.
shiiiit
Golly!
Gee willikers
“Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee-it”
- Clay Davis
Fecking hell
It really baffles me how often I still see it talked about. Especially on Lemmy. I never liked it myself but now the musk owns it, I would’ve assumed there wouldn’t be much controversy here: it’s dead and gone, move on, people.
Problem is it isn’t gone and it’s still helping foment huge political/social issues in the US. It impacts us whether we want it to or not.
Doesn’t mean I use it. I don’t. But it negatively impacts my life all the same.
Ah yes politics, the thing that can be discussed in 140 characters or less. Twitter is definitely the prime place for this discourse.
I get what you’re saying, I really do, I just think its super fucked up that our politicians have collectively decided this is THE place to engage people when there is no political topic that could possibly be discussed properly this way. I’m pretty sure I already exceeded the limit just saying this.
i’m fairly sure the point (whether calculated, or more likely, mostly not) of having politics moved there is because there is no political topic that could be discussed properly there. it makes for good, distracting noise.
it makes for a lack of meaningful critique, or for that critique to be instantly buried in bad actors. noise is a shield. noise is easily dismissable.
monetized social media, in general, is made to be clickbait, to feed negative emotions because that’s what gets people addicted to outrage, it steers people towards thinking less and reacting more. nuanced discussion and thoughtful spaces are drowned out and cast aside for the loudest and most obnoxious players. this is appealing for someone trying to uphold the status quo or push society towards hate.
i don’t think it’s a coincidence that politicians have moved there, that spaces have become so polarized and negatively charged, and that the most prime example of both of these happenings is xwitter. everything is connected in this big, terrible, and vaguely randomly evolved system. i do think evolution is the best word for it. what lives, survives to propagate. it doesn’t matter how healthy it is. the result is this blind, meandering, gargantuan worm, following the scent of blood, feeding on the worst of it all.
xwitter is easy and, notably, if you’re a powerful white man, you can build your base with no accountability. it exists in this space where it’s the most serious news source that almost no one takes that seriously. of course it’s appealing.
i’m fairly sure the point (whether calculated, or more likely, mostly not) of having politics moved there is because there is no political topic that could be discussed properly there. it makes for good, distracting noise.
It’s more stupid than that. The idea is that 140 characters is a lower barrier of entry for a reader, compared to reading a series of paragraphs that might be able to at least talk about something, or attempt to summarize an issue. It’s why accounts like wint can pop off, and become so prolific.
Two things can be true.
I mean I just don’t think it’s so much a calculated effort by the ruling class as kind of a natural evolution of the market taking hold of and exploiting the human mind to the nth possible degree, such as they have always done.
It doesn’t matter if its the worst possible place if its still the only place they can operate in. The biggest soap box is what they want.
Yes exactly. Which is one of a few reasons why I wish people would stop using it
the stinking corpses of all these corporations that don’t realize they’re already dead impact all of us, but they’re still dead, aren’t they? hnnngg die already!
I’ve found a fair amount of strong loyalty to the place from all sorts of people. I was never a twitter person, so I don’t understand it, but AFAICT, all sorts of people have a real emotional bond to the place, like for them it’s been their main internet experience in life or something.
I just like watching it burn
Seriously.
I made accounts on Mastodon and Blue Sky but most people still use Twitter, so if there’s info you’re looking for, or if you want to share things, you’re forced to use what most people are using.
I deleted my 2007-era Twitter account in 2022 and not once have I felt like I was missing out on any “info” or felt like I wasn’t able to share things.
I’ve never had a Twitter account and never felt the need for one, also haven’t been missing out on that junk. I’ve read lots of tweets, on occasions when I was offered a twitter link for whatever, but just never felt like I needed to join up at all. Just seems like a waste of time to get on social media where all the posts are just small bits of opinionated content without much depth.
Seriously, I just dont understand microblogging. It seems deliberately shallow.
Thats cool but it is a transitional thing. If you keep going back the transition doesn’t happen. Stand your ground.
What info do you need from Twitter you can’t get elsewhere unless you’re a journalist? Genuine question this isn’t bait lol
I just accepted I’m not getting the information now; but a whole bunch of small creators will basically only talk about their content and schedule on twitter. Like if something is going to be late, they are going on vacation or they are doing an extra stream or etc.
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What’s the pod?
I’m not sure, but wanted to add another hot take: if you’re a journalist and you use Twitter as a primary source for your work, you’re not a journalist.
You can do your part to get that info off of Twitter.
Get a separate browser just for Twitter use. If there’s info that’s only on Twitter re-post it elsewhere.
I hear you … most people are still there (I’ve claimed in the past that it will be the MS Windows of social media, that no one really openly talks about using but is actually everywhere).
But I feel it may be useful to distinguish FOMO and social media gossip from actual useful information. I’m not saying there’s nothing useful on Twitter (I don’t actually know). But we’re talking about microblogging and social media here.
And Reddit, and Facebook while we’re at it
I was resistant to ending my use of reddit, but now they have nerfed the mobile site so bad I can’t even login anymore so I’ve stopped trying. I still peruse it on my PC at least once daily but I think that the moment RES finally stops working will spell the end of that.
As for Facebook. I mostly keep it around for an easy connection to family and friend and a few meme groups that amuse me. But again, only like once a day do I check in ion that site.
Edit: I should mention that I have never and will never use either of those website’s apps.
Stop humouring the assholes that are still on that bigoted network. It’s X not twitter. Twitter is dead.
Every time someone calls it twitter, don’t give them the satisfaction of disassociating themselves from Musky’s X.
Oh so you’re an X’er. You like to Xeet a lot eh?
Xcrete was right there, just saying
Perhaps they meant to put the asterisk in Twitter’s name like so: *
Stockholm syndrome is made up but posts like these keep convincing me it’s real.
Which means that Firefox works properly on that aspect. Good.
Is protecting you from malware
didn’t work; elon musk still breathes.
Protec, not attak.
Now, they could still rename it FireWolfHound, which would be a rebranding I would be on board with.
Firedoggo is a good boy.
Elon musk is not ware, therefore he must not be malware.
Not only malware, but the sh-t that is floating high on X.
The real question is why people are still using that dumpster fire of a website.
To answer your question, it’s inertia. People need to be forced of Twitter if before they join Mastodon/Bluesky/Threads
I use it to scream into the void and be completely uncivil because I’m civil and soft-spoken in the rest of life. In other words, I go to the dumpster when I feel like treating Trump supporters like trash :)
Nobody sane wants to “use” it, but sometimes someone will inconsiderately link something on there.
i have no idea why people who are concerned about privacy would use anything associated with elon musk.
The Gods forbid I try to literally read something
The real question is why people keep using Twitter despite how impossible it is to even visit the website
because unlike lemmy where its usually about following topics, twitter is about following people, and migration requires said people who theyre following to also migrate
While this is true, I think if this is a hassle for most people, then something is very wrong with the world
Until the creators of the content you need switch, it’s one of if not the hub where the content is.
This would be easy to “solve” from the reader end if Nitter was still operational, but I haven’t heard from the project or from any alternative in ages.
If you stop going to twitter to see the content, the creators would be forced to move. How important can the content be?
Dunno! I haven’t been to Twitter since Elon bought it and activated our scorched-earth protocols. Twitter hasn’t been accessible on any device in our network since then.
nitter.poast.org still works!
The project was using a way to bypass requiring a backing account to proxy the requests, but the API update broke that
The instances that chose (and choose) to go the extra mile by creating and maintaining proxy account(s) are the ones still working
If the instance gets too popular the twitter goons quickly figure out what the proxy account is and ban it, though. So it’s a constant game of cat and mouse.
I see. That sucks.
Every so often someone posts something on Lemmy or somewhere else which contains a Twitter link that’s interesting or relevant, and so there is value in me visiting it. Just because I don’t “use” Twitter doesn’t mean I don’t end up reading a Twitter post every so often, because other people use it.
This is a deliberate decision to force people to turn off tracking protection.
No this is a hilarious fuckup where they forgot to move twitter.com, pbs.twimg.com and more off of the Twitter domains, so Firefox started blocking it because to Firefox it looks like Social Media trackers.
Mozilla already pushed a fix.
Why would anybody test that first in QA anyway?
Every software project, without exception, has a testing environment.
Some even have a separate production environment too.
Oh you sweet summer child…
Welcome to the Internet, were you can never be sure if Satire is Satire or somebody’s genuine opinion until they confirm it’s the former using a meme.
You’re right about that in many cases.
That post? It two sentences.
Second sentence is a joke that couldn’t be taken seriously. As if it were a knock knock joke or something. …right?!
Somebody who is not a software developer or is a junior one who only ever worked in one or two major projects and got lucky (really depends on the country and the industry) might believe it.
It’s hardly unusual for people who only ever worked in one place to think everything is like that, and some of those do get lucky (not all software development environments out there are like the US Tech Industry) and end up right after Uni in a place with some good senior techies that make sure environments are properly set up.
Also in-house development in industries were software is mission critical and new versions breaking Production might result in massive losses or death (for example, Finance) always have proper Testing and Staging environments - you don’t really want to lose millions of dollars (possibly hundreds of millions if unlucky) by having all the traders in a Trading Floor twidling their thumbs because somebody didn’t do, before pushing to Production, proper integration testing in Staging of some comms protocol changes done for two different systems.
And some projects only test in Chrome. If we’re lucky, they test in Firefox with default settings.
Yeah Elon is a shoot first kind of guy anyways.
I think it is called the network effect. People are still using Twitter because the messages they want to see are being posted there, and those messages are being posted there because that’s where the audience is. So, basically, people are locked in.
This also means that any loss in user count has a double effect, as not only users are lost, but the utility of the service for the remaining users decreases. So, what I’m saying is, if Elon continues this way, at some point there will be a large exodus of users from Twitter, as each loss of users reduces the utility of Twitter further, triggering a chain reaction.
Of course, we can’t know when that happens, and since we’re both on Lemmy, we’ve already self-selected as people with little tolerance for enshittification.
I’m not so sure. I check in on the hot mess that is Twitter from time to time and it looks to me like the advertisers are returning from the ads that I have seen. I think it comes down to how willing Musk is to burn money on when Twitter actually dies and I bet he can find friends of a certain type to sell equity too to keep the shit show going.
I think we have reached the point that those that are willing to hold their noses are staying and those that aren’t have gone and that’s your new user figures.
Porn… Until enough adult accounts move over to Mastodon or Blue Sky.
what is blue sky ?
The Twitter alternative created by the original creator of Twitter
Well Twitter is still used by Musk fanboys, right wingers, from people who don’t understand Mastodon and/or the Fediverse and probably from people who use it for porn.
How do you use Xitter for porn??
I don’t but many people do since many creators use Twitter for that. I personally don’t get why they don’t switch to Mastodon or another Fediverse software since there are probably NSFW instances too and if not some of them could team up and create one.
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The question is, why there still people using this shit ?
Depending on the research subject, people built networks on Twitter. It’s hard to move on another platform as you will loose your network.
People are still using that shit because other people they want to interact with are still using that shit. Network effects are hard to break.
I occasionally use it to complain at corporations, mostly when their websites show me captchas but occasionally for other customer service issues.
Same reasons why people still use Facebook - too many folks who think it’s still a good thing.
Do people think it’s a good thing, or simply the thing where those they know are?
This. I know FB/Meta is awful, but I have a ton of hobby and interest groups I participate in on the platform. So that’s why I stay. However, I have all sorts of browser add-ons that strip the site of all kinds of trackers, suggestions, and all sorts of annoyances. My FB is closer to FB a decade+ ago than what a “normal” user sees.
I’m honestly just there for Facebook marketplace
Do the add-ons you use specifically target Facebook? If so, what are you using to mitigate its manipulative/predatory designs?
Some. Other than basic anti-tracking add ons, Facebook Container is one, and so is Social Media Fixer, which will block whatever you tell it to on FB. I block all “suggested for you” as a keyword and it removes so much junk from FB. I have a couple more I think that help FB be more like its old self, but unfortunately I’m not home and can’t look them up right now on mobile.
tbh as a trans person, facebook groups are pretty great. i’ve been some awesome trans people there that i still communicate with. also there’s a good book community in groups too. groups are great at isolating you from the weird conspiracy theory public content in comments.
groups are great at isolating you from the weird conspiracy theory public content in comments.
Joining groups is actually what drives people into those conspiracy black holes because of the way the recommendation algorithm is designed. It will recommended you more and more extreme groups because they are what keeps people using the platform for longer.
maybe i’m just lucky cause all mine are ttrpgs, books, sapphics, and trans people.
Depends whether you’re relying on the algorithm (recommendations) to find new groups or whether you’re manually searching for and vetting these groups yourself. If it’s the latter then it’s not luck, that’s a safe and smart approach to take with social media.
Because of inertia. There are entire industries that were built around Twitter. For years, it was an incredible networking opportunity that you were missing out on if you weren’t active. For example, many artists used twitter for discoverability; They could post their art on Twitter, and it would get much broader reach than on other social networks.
This is why substitutes like Mastodon have struggled to take off, and it’s why even the early adopters still crosspost everything to both twitter and Mastodon. Mastodon simply doesn’t have the user base required to have that same kind of discoverability. It would need to reach a critical mass level where it’s able to sustain itself without twitter. And it’s unfortunately not there.
Whether it will ever reach that point is up for debate; The same way Reddit’s scummy practices were a huge boon for lemmy, only time will tell if the same will happen to twitter. The issue is that the vast majority of users simply don’t care about a negative experience on the site. Sure, there are vocal critics, but those are often the minority who are extremely incensed and will be the most likely to change. But once those critics have fled, the vast majority still remains on twitter and now there aren’t any critics pushing for change.
Agreed, it’s unfortunate that some people rely on it for work.
Personally I only go on there unintentionally when I don’t look at the link I am clicking on beforehand
The thing people miss when they boast “wElL I DoNT uSe iT sO nOt mY pRoBlEm” is that an increasingly large proportion of our society does use these shit platforms, and for longer periods too. We have to live in this world with all the brainrotted zombies so it is actually our problem too.
We have to live in this world with all the brainrotted zombies so it is actually our problem too.
I agree and I think there’s a solution, but no one seems to care https://lemmy.world/post/14389655.
Also responding to unrelated topics will make some think you’re a bot. The conversation should happen organically. It’ll get you clicks but not positive interaction.
God I can’t wait for that website to die already
I feel like people will still be saying this in ten years (sadly)
Maybe it’ll be the next MySpace?
Is that not dead yet?
Seems to me like a good reason to disable x.com
Yeah you do not want to visit that p*** site
You’re allowed to say poop here lmao
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How might we help and encourage people to leave Twitter?
Highkey though I kind of don’t want to help people leave Twitter to go to Lemmy. While the increase in posts would be great, the kind of toxicity and general culture that follows can most definitely ruin a website.
Tbh I didn’t mean to Lemmy, so much as simply off Twitter in general, preferably to a non-corporate social site. It may be naive/idealistic, but I think those most inclined to leave would be the better of the bunch, and those in-between are more apt to go to another corporate site anyway (e.g. Threads).
Twitter is to Mastodon as Reddit is to Lemmy.
I personally locked my account, and only going there to “spy” on some people only being active there, or to interact with some mutual. It’s too much of a toxic pit, the porn bots now even post illegal stuff, and the site is buggy. It was quite good for my mental health to delete that app from my phone though. I miss the community I had there, some I’m instead in contact on Discord (I have a Matrix account too, haven’t been using it much), some on Mastodon. That community was slowly disappearing since the Musk takeover, not because of my absence from what is now basically just a 4chan that is still somehow attracts corporations. I wonder if I manage to find a new one soon, or maybe even create my own.
Is there a problem other than Nazis and other far right idiots spamming their hot takes? That’s certainly a culture problem but hopefully most instances just ban Nazis instead of letting the cancer grow.
Most of the screenshots I see of Twitter posts aren’t from right wing extremists, but are still ignorant opinions and put-downs presented in an obnoxiously snarky way. The core of toxicity in Twitter isn’t about political affiliation, it’s about mean spirited anti-intellectual tribalism and people using ideals as a pretense to verbally abuse others.
Twitter’s trying pretty hard on its own.
Even the people sticking around because they have followers keep getting banned. Guys: if you have to start a new account, do it somewhere better.
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The only reason I was on Twitter was because I follow some famous people, politicians that I like and some interesting people. I have no following (except for those onlyfans bots) so maybe if the people we follow gets rid of Twitter then we have nothing to go there for.
I left Twitter just after musk bought it.
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Every time someone writes x.com I immediately think they’re talking about a porn site. What a shit rebrand. Or what a perfect name I guess?
Porn sites are feeling discredited by comparing them to x-formerly-known-as-twitter.com
i just get flashbacks from missed point blank 95% hitchance shots
We’re getting closer and closer to the complete destruction of this worthless shithole, keep it up elon!
Unfortunately, shaking off users who are digitally conscious enough to use Firefox (and recommend alternatives) probably improves Twitter’s odds.
