This is a very entertaining and educational article, giving insights into the methods used by thiefs to try and get access to your phone data.

I don’t like Apple but it’s great that their security is so good when it comes to this.

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    Compared to any android phone the privacy is substantially better. Apple is in the business of selling overpriced phones. Google is in the data collection business.

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      The issue here is that while baseline apple is more secure than baseline android, a user with knowledge or a guide can improve the android security by a lot, whereas the apple baseline is also the ceiling. There’s stuff you can do with iPhones but if you don’t trust apple, you are kind of fucked.

      Android people that mention security won’t be using a stock phone from the store, they will have disabled stuff, enables alternative stuff, or even installed a completely new android based OS, and this can’t be done with iPhone or iOS.

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        7 months ago

        True. But for 99% of people baseline is what they use. Windows can be made very secure by experts but the fact is 99% of people just use windows as is.

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          100% agree, just take into account that most people you encounter on lemmy, specially on posts about security, are in that 1% that tweak stuff and if you throw blanked statements they will think you are talking to them specifically.

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            7 months ago

            Fair. And I see it lol. My inbox is full of people who want to argue with me.

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        The issue here is that while baseline apple is more secure than baseline android, a user with knowledge or a guide can improve the android security by a lot, whereas the apple baseline is also the ceiling.

        Not true. iPhone can be locked down much more than it is out of the box, and it’s as simple as changing one setting. Lockdown mode, it significantly tightens down security of iOS at the cost of some convenience. It is not recommended for the average user, only if you expect to be targeted by highly sophisticated attackers.

        There’s stuff you can do with iPhones but if you don’t trust apple, you are kind of fucked.

        That is always the case. If you don’t trust the company that made the hardware, there is nothing you can do. Unless you’ve got your own chip fab, there is always a level of trust involved.

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          It’s not really about the hardware, is it? The option you mentioned won’t enable an alternative app store, it won’t enable access to android app emulators (which would be a huge boom in the open source app offering). The level of trust iPhone users give to appeal is wildly higher that what android users that tweak their phones give the manufacturers. It is what it is, but don’t delude yourself in thinking that it’s about what they do in the kernel level, it’s about the fact that they store tons of sensitive data in their american servers and that they have an obligation to share that data with the country, and as someone from Europe that doesn’t sit well with me.

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            It’s not really about the hardware, is it?

            It’s about everything, that’s the point

            The option you mentioned won’t enable an alternative app store, it won’t enable access to android app emulators

            I don’t see how that would help in any way to secure the device if you don’t trust Apple.

            The level of trust iPhone users give to appeal is wildly higher that what android users that tweak their phones give the manufacturers.

            You either trust a company or you don’t. There is no grey area. If you don’t control the whole thing, you don’t control anything at all. A custom ROM on your Android device is not going to do anything to prevent a firmware or hardware level backdoor. Your custom ROM doesn’t improve security, on the contrary. If you unlock the bootloader you break the chain of trust and all bets are off.

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      Anti-libre software, iOS, bans us from proving its claims. Stop paying Apple to pre-infect our devices and spy on us too.

      My devices need libre software, not a business.

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        You are preaching to the choir.

        When it comes to privacy: GrapheneOS > iOS > android with Google.

        Android itself is good. It’s just android with Google that’s the problem. (Aka 99.999% of all android phones sold outside of China)

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          iOS > android with Google

          They ban us from proving this. Both malware, anti-libre software, ban us from proving it’s claims.

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      If you aren’t using the iOS lockdown mode, it’s not really that much more private. Most stuff is still not encrypted in iCloud without that on, and apps can still track much of what you do, and Apple has their own ad networks.

      Edit: has any of the downvoters actually read Apple’s (public!) security architecture documents?