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Trump has repeatedly attended and spoken at Charlie Kirk's rallies despite his extreme anti-LGBTQ+ rhetoric.
  • nomous@lemmy.world
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    6 months ago

    Except that the person saying the homophobic thing knows they aren’t queer.

    Do they though do their peers? Does anyone? Again sexual fluidity is extremely common throughout our lives.

    Let me put it this way- there is zero evidence that Charlie Kirk is anything but cishet.

    I honestly can’t imagine him being with a woman so I disagree.

    Now… we can draw attention to the issue of bigotry by just pointing out that he’s a bigot

    Yes.

    or we can put the blame of bigotry on queer people themselves in some silly attempt at a gotcha.

    I would say we put it on the bigot that said it, Charlie Kirk and not on any broad groups at all.

    I would say that the former is both less childish

    It’s fun to be childish sometimes.

    and less harmful to queer people.

    I’m not sure it harms queer people at all Squid.

    • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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      6 months ago

      See, again, you’re saying that the only people who are homophobic are queer and it’s no different from saying the only people who are ableist are disabled or the only people who are antisemitic are Jewish. I wish you could understand that.

      • nomous@lemmy.world
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        6 months ago

        I can understand how it could be interpreted that way but that’s not what I mean at all.

        Out of curiosity, what percentage of homophobia do you think is caused by latent homosexuality?

        • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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          6 months ago

          It doesn’t matter if it’s not what you mean unless you express what you mean explicitly.

          And people don’t say that explicitly. They just say that every time someone says something homophobic in the news, they’re closeted. Every time.

          And how the hell am I supposed to know what percentage? More than zero and less than 100?

          I’m guessing closer to zero than 100 for the same reason there are antisemitic Jews out there but the vast majority of antisemites aren’t Jewish. Can you point to a time that you’ve suggested that an antisemite is actually a Jew? And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?

          • nomous@lemmy.world
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            6 months ago

            And how the hell am I supposed to know what percentage? More than zero and less than 100?

            Seems pretty relevant to the discussion, 10% is way different than 90%.

            I’m guessing closer to zero than 100

            But you’re just guessing.

            for the same reason there are antisemitic Jews out there but the vast majority of antisemites aren’t Jewish.

            What reason is that?

            Can you point to a time that you’ve suggested that an antisemite is actually a Jew? And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?

            I’m sure I never said that, I usually call antisemites Nazis/bigot/fuckhead or something similar.

            And if not, why not if it’s so common for homophobes to be queer?

            We’ve already been over this. I suspect we’re not going to come to an agreement on this, have a nice night Squid.

            • Flying Squid@lemmy.world
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              6 months ago

              We haven’t already been over this. All you’ve said is sexuality is a spectrum.

              Disability is a spectrum. Everyone has their own little disabilities. So if you use an ableist word like the R-word, you’re disabled. Based on your own reasoning. And you still don’t see it.