I got so much concern trolling for saying Biden was bad and should step down. People accused me of wanting fascism. They insisted I was naive and we should be standing behind Biden.
I just want to say to those people: you were wrong. Dumping Biden has wildly hurt Trump’s chances, and you were the ones arguing against it.
I was definitely one of those people that thought we should stick with Biden because his name was known, and that we were too close to the election to get a new candidate enough exposure to be competitive. It wasn’t that I thought Biden was the best choice for president, just that I thought the timing was too tight.
I’m so happy to be wrong about this. The enthusiasm for Harris is fantastic, and she’s doing great with the spotlight on her. The candidate switch has stolen the media attention from Trump and it’s pretty clear he doesn’t know how to handle it. Younger people are more interested in voting, minorities are more interested in voting, women are more interested in voting - it’s fucking great.
I’m with you. I wasn’t sure we should stick with Biden, but I wasn’t sure we shouldn’t, either. Being an incumbent does count for something, and I’d never heard people being that excited about Harris. To be it was whatever gave us the best chance of keeping Trump from winning.
But I couldn’t be happier with how it’s turning out, and I very much hope we can keep the momentum going.
I also thought it was too late to replace Biden and they should have done it at least six months earlier. But now I think the timing is pretty much perfect.
Republicans focused all their efforts on bashing Biden instead of getting people excited for their own policies. Now that whole campaign has just imploded on itself and there’s not enough time to come up with and enact something new. Plus, Harris and Walz have all the attention now, they dominate the news.
I think there would be enough time if the Republicans brought in the cavalry, i e. experienced spinners of truth and benders, if not breakers, of rules like Karl Rove. But even for these people with absolutely no regard for political mores the maga movement is too extreme to stomach. Too many of the GOP brain trust have been alienated, which is a stroke of luck for the Dems.
I mean, sometimes it is (like when the thing they disagree with is “2+2=4”, or “global warming exists,” or some other objective statement of fact that isn’t really up for debate). But this is not one of those cases.
I am happy to admit I was wrong, I really thought Biden was the best shot this late in the race. I grossly underestimated how strong and positive the response would be for Harris, given her performance during her previous presidential run. It feels fantastic to be wrong.
With that said, I think it’s a bad faith argument to lump all concern together as concern trolling. If enthusiasm had been weak, the shoe could have just as easily been on the other foot, with countless armchair politicians lamenting those ‘fascist agitators’ who convinced Biden to drop out, thereby handing Donnie Dipshit the presidency.
Hindsight is 20/20, I’m just glad we’re still in this.
With that said, I think it’s a bad faith argument to lump all concern together as concern trolling. If enthusiasm had been weak, the shoe could have just as easily been on the other foot, with countless armchair politicians lamenting those ‘fascist agitators’ who convinced Biden to drop out, thereby handing Donnie Dipshit the presidency.
Hindsight is 20/20, I’m just glad we’re still in this.
I don’t think you are listening, people were saying this over and over again BEFORE Biden stepped down, we didn’t need hindsight, YOU did because you refused to listen.
I love that y’all admit you were wrong superficially but then insult people who have been making strong arguments for quite a long time that Biden should step down and not run again with statements like “well, who could have known!” with a happy shrug.
We did and people like you almost cost us the election. Do you understand how dangerous a role people like you played in shutting down criticism of Biden and attacking concerned Democrats like they were all Russia trollbots or something?
You speak of the danger of divisiveness, of having democrats split up and fractured… hopefully you do realize that is PRECISELY what democrats shouting down concerns about Biden were doing? Can you at least see that in 20/20 hindsight?
What have you learned that will lead you into NOT making the same potentially catastrophic miscalculation next time around?
…because you realize y’all look like clowns in the wake of Harris raising 200 million and 170,000 volunteers in a week right?
Honestly, you need to stop commenting on politics until you dismantle your world view and understanding of how US politics works please, you don’t understand very basic shit here. I don’t know what more proof you need than the last month or so of politics.
Don’t give me this “Wow, happy surprise! Who woulda thought things could go so well!” nonsense, it is insulting and minimizing to those of us who have actually been paying attention and understood the political forces at play.
I was on that side a bit and the thinking was if we aren’t united behind Biden, tRUmp will divide and conquer the rest. I think we were just trying to show solidarity. we all knew he was weekend at Bernie-ING but didn’t think/know how positive it would be on this side of that decision. so for that, sorry.
I’ve been saying Biden shouldn’t run again since 2020 but I think it’s a bit premature to say we were right just yet. Things are going well so far but there’s still time for things to go wrong.
Absolutely. These libs were out in force calling us Russian bots.
They’re the same libs who are now shushing us for calling out Kamala on being a genocide supporter.
“If you want Donald Trump to win then keep saying that. Otherwise I’m speaking!” 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 yaaaasss queen!!!
It’s sickening.
The fact is that if Kamala were actually stand up to her fascist Israeli masters instead of being a meek little pawn she would only gain more respect and more people energised to vote for her.
Chasing the Donald Trump genocide-voting crowd isn’t doing her any favors. Fuck those people. Actually stand for something and show you have a shred of humanity and real humans will be engaged.
I got so much concern trolling for saying Biden was bad and should step down. People accused me of wanting fascism. They insisted I was naive and we should be standing behind Biden.
I just want to say to those people: you were wrong. Dumping Biden has wildly hurt Trump’s chances, and you were the ones arguing against it.
I was definitely one of those people that thought we should stick with Biden because his name was known, and that we were too close to the election to get a new candidate enough exposure to be competitive. It wasn’t that I thought Biden was the best choice for president, just that I thought the timing was too tight.
I’m so happy to be wrong about this. The enthusiasm for Harris is fantastic, and she’s doing great with the spotlight on her. The candidate switch has stolen the media attention from Trump and it’s pretty clear he doesn’t know how to handle it. Younger people are more interested in voting, minorities are more interested in voting, women are more interested in voting - it’s fucking great.
I was wrong. And I couldn’t be happier about it.
I’m with you. I wasn’t sure we should stick with Biden, but I wasn’t sure we shouldn’t, either. Being an incumbent does count for something, and I’d never heard people being that excited about Harris. To be it was whatever gave us the best chance of keeping Trump from winning.
But I couldn’t be happier with how it’s turning out, and I very much hope we can keep the momentum going.
I also thought it was too late to replace Biden and they should have done it at least six months earlier. But now I think the timing is pretty much perfect.
Republicans focused all their efforts on bashing Biden instead of getting people excited for their own policies. Now that whole campaign has just imploded on itself and there’s not enough time to come up with and enact something new. Plus, Harris and Walz have all the attention now, they dominate the news.
I think there would be enough time if the Republicans brought in the cavalry, i e. experienced spinners of truth and benders, if not breakers, of rules like Karl Rove. But even for these people with absolutely no regard for political mores the maga movement is too extreme to stomach. Too many of the GOP brain trust have been alienated, which is a stroke of luck for the Dems.
People disagreeing with you is not trolling
I mean, sometimes it is (like when the thing they disagree with is “2+2=4”, or “global warming exists,” or some other objective statement of fact that isn’t really up for debate). But this is not one of those cases.
I am happy to admit I was wrong, I really thought Biden was the best shot this late in the race. I grossly underestimated how strong and positive the response would be for Harris, given her performance during her previous presidential run. It feels fantastic to be wrong.
With that said, I think it’s a bad faith argument to lump all concern together as concern trolling. If enthusiasm had been weak, the shoe could have just as easily been on the other foot, with countless armchair politicians lamenting those ‘fascist agitators’ who convinced Biden to drop out, thereby handing Donnie Dipshit the presidency.
Hindsight is 20/20, I’m just glad we’re still in this.
I don’t think you are listening, people were saying this over and over again BEFORE Biden stepped down, we didn’t need hindsight, YOU did because you refused to listen.
I love that y’all admit you were wrong superficially but then insult people who have been making strong arguments for quite a long time that Biden should step down and not run again with statements like “well, who could have known!” with a happy shrug.
We did and people like you almost cost us the election. Do you understand how dangerous a role people like you played in shutting down criticism of Biden and attacking concerned Democrats like they were all Russia trollbots or something?
You speak of the danger of divisiveness, of having democrats split up and fractured… hopefully you do realize that is PRECISELY what democrats shouting down concerns about Biden were doing? Can you at least see that in 20/20 hindsight?
What have you learned that will lead you into NOT making the same potentially catastrophic miscalculation next time around?
…because you realize y’all look like clowns in the wake of Harris raising 200 million and 170,000 volunteers in a week right?
Honestly, you need to stop commenting on politics until you dismantle your world view and understanding of how US politics works please, you don’t understand very basic shit here. I don’t know what more proof you need than the last month or so of politics.
Don’t give me this “Wow, happy surprise! Who woulda thought things could go so well!” nonsense, it is insulting and minimizing to those of us who have actually been paying attention and understood the political forces at play.
I was on that side a bit and the thinking was if we aren’t united behind Biden, tRUmp will divide and conquer the rest. I think we were just trying to show solidarity. we all knew he was weekend at Bernie-ING but didn’t think/know how positive it would be on this side of that decision. so for that, sorry.
Same. I got downvoted to oblivion on a bunch of threads weeks ago for pointing this out.
I’ve been saying Biden shouldn’t run again since 2020 but I think it’s a bit premature to say we were right just yet. Things are going well so far but there’s still time for things to go wrong.
Absolutely. These libs were out in force calling us Russian bots.
They’re the same libs who are now shushing us for calling out Kamala on being a genocide supporter.
“If you want Donald Trump to win then keep saying that. Otherwise I’m speaking!” 👏🏻 👏🏻 👏🏻 yaaaasss queen!!!
It’s sickening.
The fact is that if Kamala were actually stand up to her fascist Israeli masters instead of being a meek little pawn she would only gain more respect and more people energised to vote for her.
Chasing the Donald Trump genocide-voting crowd isn’t doing her any favors. Fuck those people. Actually stand for something and show you have a shred of humanity and real humans will be engaged.
I am so happy to be proven wrong. A pit of fear opened in my stomach when I read he dropped out.
48 hours later I was coconut pilled and ready to volunteer for Harris.
I hate these attention seeking posts.