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Tesla Hackers Find ‘Unpatchable’ Jailbreak to Unlock Paid Features for Free::A group of security researchers claim to have found an “unpatchable” jailbreak for some Tesla vehicles, potentially unlocking in-car purchases
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in-car purchases
That’s an absolutely disgusting combination of words.
“It looks like you’re trying to flee a wildfire. However, you have just run out of Elon X Points and are unable to continue driving. Please wait 5 hours for your Elon X Points to replenish. Can’t wait? We’d like to offer you our once in a lifetime SpaceX Booster X bundle of 15,000 points for just $299.99!”
Only usable for current emergency. Once current emergency is abated, points expire.
micro-transactions in video games and media was only a test. Now it’s transitioning from the digital to physical world.
Man, at this point I just hope I don’t see any lootboxes with limited time features in a car.
Oh shit, once they invent some sort of LCD paint that allows your car to be a blank canvas… you know that shit is going to happen.
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please enter your credit card details to upgrade your energy storage
Please drink a verification can.
That unlimited monthly transit pass is looking pretty good right now.
(Speaking as someone who doesn’t own a car and take public transportation everywhere.)
Car armor, only $2.99!
This how people are gonna find out how bad of an idea to allow the manufacturer to have that much control over your car after purchase. Tesla will shut their cars off if they find them jail breaked.
Just like the guy that wasn’t allowed to fix the cooling hose on the battery Tesla’s only option was to replace it. A third party fixed it but he still had concerns that they would shut it off (citing safety) because he wouldn’t buy a whole new battery after he fixed it. Also barring him from quick charge stations was another concern.
Neo-feudalism at it’s best. Make them pay the manufacturing costs but also make them rent the thing they paid for
It’s where every industry is striving for. To continually get paid for something forever.
We call them landlords until we call them compost.
“make them rent the things they paid for” makes my blood boil. Like paying for a Wi-Fi router each month even though after a year it’s all paid off, they’ll still just charge you for it, literally free money by the millions for them. Fuck you Comcast.
Tesla shutting off jailbreaked cars would be illegal in Europe at least
- jailbreak
- disable all traffic from certain apps
- add all tesla domains as 0.0.0.0 on /etc/hosts, just to be sure
- ride off into the sunset
Couldn’t they add a hardware chip that acts like a tamper seal?
That’s the thing that gets jailbroken.
Depending on how it’s implemented, beating it will be a matter of shorting some circuits. See how PS1 and 2 were jailbroken with modchips.
Unless they find a legal workaround. They can probably do it, if they claim it makes the car unsafe.
They can’t just claim shit when people start suing them
It’s pretty easy to convince most people that ANY hacking is unsafe. It probably wouldn’t be that difficult to make a convincing argument, and as the maker of the car, they have a lot of authority.
They will hve to provide evidence that explicitly links hacking to safety problems that have occured in real life, never gonna happen
Or they can just brick it, like Apple does with iPhone, when people jail break them.
Did Apple ever lose a lawsuit on that? You put to much trust in the system.
Apple doesn’t brick your iphone if you jailbreak it
OMIGOD please let us not have the right to repair conversation about fucking cars.
But this is probably where we are heading unfortunately.
It’s already been done on farm vehicles, why not cars
Since it is a software lockout then we can have the software freedom conversation instead.
A car with features locked behind a paywall is a broken car. These hackers simply fixed the car.
Nice!!! That should piss off that petty tyrant old Musky.
Insurance will gladly deny you in case of accidents containing your licensed and jailbroken device. Don’t buy this shit in the first place
It would be incumbent on the insurance company to prove that you willfully circumvented the system. Given an accident serious enough, the Tesla’s computer could be physically damaged to the point where no data could be retrieved.
I’d bet they find a way to not pay out.
Insurance is generally not in the business of breaking contracts. If they have a legitimate reason to not pay, they won’t, but they won’t screw you over just because they don’t feel like paying. The risk is too high
Ummm… Insurance companies are all about finding ways to not pay and breaking contracts. You think average Joe can spend millions going against insurance companies lawyers? And what risk? They can hold people in court until they break them or they die broke from fighting insurance companies. Hell, my mother’s life insurance didn’t wanna pay and we had to get a lawyer just to make them pay a pretty straight Forward insurance policy.
Insurances don’t want to lose in court but they will investigate and find reasons to deny a payout.
Insurance would have to prove the modification caused the accident by disabiling some safety mechanism.
Legally, software mods and hardware mods are no different, and people have been modifying their cars well before you could hack a seat heater on.
Modifying your car isn’t a valid reason to yank coverage in most circumstances.
Even making your car faster isn’t enough, assuming your mods are street legal.
I heard a workmate call him Elongated Muskrat. I had to congratulate her.
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Ol’ musky gonna be mad. He might call the jailbreakers pedos.
Only person who doesn’t have to pay his bills is Elon. God, he’s an objectively awful person.
No feature of a car should be extra cost on top of the car.
It makes sense for remotely provided services, like satellite radio, distant remote start via cell signal, etc. But not for hardware already in the damn car.
Yeah, I get paying server fees for stuff, but when it’s just “unlocking” software that’s already there or enabling hardware that already exists, it’s just a cash grab.
Agree 100%
Simp harder
Relax, you just didn’t read my comment properly.
i fucking hate capitalism so much
Nooo, think about daddy Melon, our saviour and inventor of all things! How is he going to save the world without his shitty car MTX?
I want to go to mars, rocket-travel to Central Park, I want to have full self driving next year, use a Tesla tunnel and not get stuck in traffic, and maybe travel in a can in near-full vacuum! Maybe use X as my bank, when he has enough money to pay for the rent of twitter building.
Pls think about all the inventions! Think about all the billions he could waste jerking his ego off by purchasing another community and turning it to shit!
My god people, don’t sudo your cars and unlock features that are already installed, but disabled. Pls.
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BMWs have had this, to some extent, for a while. Bimmercode can do things like change sounds and enable software disabled features, like anti dazzle lights. (This is disabled because the NHTSA refuses to adopt ways for them to be easily tested in the US, despite their being approved for decades in Europe and a congressional mandate telling them to allow them on the roads, so every automaker has to disable them.)
No exploits needed.
Can it set the car into offline mode?
This issue is going to end up landing in front of the right-wing, pro-business Supreme Court, isn’t it??
I can see it now. Tesla is going to write some software that detects this patch. They might not be able to stop it, but they can lock these cars out of the Supercharger network and potentially brick the cars. Buyers of these vehicles are going to sue Tesla. Probably go back and forth in the courts for a few years until it ultimately reaches the Supreme Court.
Watch Dogs: Legion has inspired everyone to find exploits in the cars’ systems.
Softlooking features will be a thing, regardless how much we despite it. At the same time, it would terrify me knowing that vehicles around me ciuld run on homebrew software. It’s one thing if its in your home but on public roads, naaa keep that shit locked down.
I can see a future where the law enforcement are shifting from testing intoxication to running validating software checks.
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It’s all about responsibility and that man ain’t touching that except if it will gain the brands an extra exposure.
A modified computer is already being checked for in CA emissions. No matter how good the car runs, if you have a non-approved or factory tune you can’t register the vehicle.
Homebrew isnt the issue, since it’s not like the stuff coming from Tesla or any actual car maker has to go through a third party approval process. They just throw software updates out to the wild. And while they may have some internal testing, there just isn’t the regulations to verify any of that.
I’ve found the whole concept of software assists in general to be the wild West in automotives.
It depends where you live, here the certification unit only check the actual exhaust, there is no law here that prohibit me to use any software to adjust my CA emissions as long it’s with in limits during testing it’s OK.
Agree to point where just calling a beta feature Autopilot is just reckless.
I mean CA as in California.
Cool stuff.
As far as I know, the full self driving codebase doesn’t get delivered to an end-user unless they’ve paid for the feature and have been “approved” through some safe driving algorithm. This means we’re unlikely to see free FSD for all unless somebody manages to capture the firmware package and upload it.
Can we stop call it FSD, it’s not. It’s just assisted driving, and if I have to be monitoring the entire time, it’s no more useful than cruise control.
