• LeylaLove [she/her, love/loves]@hexbear.net
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        3 months ago

        Maybe it’s where I am, but yeah clean opiates are nearly impossible to find. 99.9 percent of opiate sales are done in the form of fake perc 30s with fent or nitazenes in them

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            3 months ago

            cracking down and pulling the rug out from people absolutely led to countless deaths.

            but everyone had to personally know 5+ people who died of toxic drugs before any harm reduction was in the realm of consideration. naloxone has only been legal for 10 years and nominally available for 5ish.

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              3 months ago

              I never knew anyone that overdosed on legit pharma opiates. The dosage is always correct and oxycodone and others have a reasonably high ld50. Not saying no one did but when pills were everywhere naloxone was hardly needed at all.

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                3 months ago

                it’s a fair point. essentially what happened was just total industry deregulation.

                it wasn’t regulated in the way some people wanted to begin with. doctors being the sole gatekeepers and only allowing access according to clinical guidelines arrived at by legitimate scientific research. in their attempt to enforce this they ruined what controls were in place. the pill mills were hooked into the pharmaceutical supplies and therefor provided a reliable and predictable product for the consumer.

                See the graph I posted in another comment that shows pretty dramatically what happened

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        3 months ago

        There’s been some clean stuff recently tested at DrugsData, legitimately just heroin. Bought from a darknet vendor in Canada. I imagine that’s INSANELY rare.

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          3 months ago

          I just did some very light research and did find this graph.

          Appears to depict H becoming safer and safer over time. The deaths from heroin are about what they were from methadone 20 years ago. (Ignoring all methodological issues in determining “cause of death”.)

          I expect this is basically due to how impossible heroin is to get, perhaps the only users left over are those with the ability to obtain a very good supply. Whereas 95% people are stuck with the other stuff.

          source: US CDC & Dept of HHS NCHS Data Brief: “Drug Overdose Deaths in the United States, 2002–2022” Number 491, March 2024

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              3 months ago

              Ya it’s always a re-shock to see how dramatic things are. that graph is based on this chart

              death from any opiod - total:

              • 2002: 11,920
              • 2022: 81,806

              death from Synthetic opioids other than methadone:

              • 2002: 1,295
              • 2022: 73,838

              nice work FDA

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            3 months ago

            They dont actually care about saving lives they just care about making it look like they give a shit while causing a much bigger issue. Now theres more deaths than ever just so they can use it as another boogyman instead of making safer alternatives.

            Or you know just making life better for everyone so people dont have to do opiates to cope.