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minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up2·1 年前https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
minus-squareDessalines@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up10·1 年前Colonialism and indigenous eviction masquerading as “socialist”.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·1 年前I would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up9·1 年前If the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up2·1 年前Colonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so. For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up6·1 年前But you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·1 年前I disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
minus-squareCowbee [he/they]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkarrow-up5·1 年前The example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·1 年前 It has only existed in a colonialist form. There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.
minus-squaredavel [he/him]@lemmy.mllinkfedilinkEnglisharrow-up7·1 年前How it started: The kibbutzim were founded by members of the Bilu movement who emigrated to Palestine. How it’s going: Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says
minus-squareKnock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.worldlinkfedilinkarrow-up1·1 年前Yes, some kibbutz founders were part of Zionist settlement land grabs. And there is no way I’m going to defend current Israeli actions. But this doesn’t really relate to the kibbutz being a good example of communism.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kibbutz
Colonialism and indigenous eviction masquerading as “socialist”.
I would argue that the Colonialism and indigenous eviction evils can be separated from the socialist successes.
If the Colonialism is what supported the system, it was not Socialist.
Colonialism certainly helped establish some settlements, but is colonialism essential for the survival of the kibbutz system? I don’t think so.
For example, if a kibbutz was initiated (legally and paid for) in Australia, then colonialism would not be an ingredient.
But you nonetheless used a Colonialist system as an example.
I disagree. The ideology of a kibbutz is not Colonialist.
The example was colonialist. It has only existed in a colonialist form. You were tasked with providing an example of Socialism working, which by extension implies you believe colonialism to be compatible with Socialism. This is nonsense.
There are examples of kibbutzs outside of Israel. Colonialism is not (necessarily) part of the ideology.
How it started: The kibbutzim were founded by members of the Bilu movement who emigrated to Palestine.
How it’s going: Gaza toll could exceed 186,000, Lancet study says
Yes, some kibbutz founders were part of Zionist settlement land grabs. And there is no way I’m going to defend current Israeli actions.
But this doesn’t really relate to the kibbutz being a good example of communism.