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Spectre@lemmy.mlM to Comics@lemmy.ml · 9 months ago

“Communism bad”

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Spectre@lemmy.mlM to Comics@lemmy.ml · 9 months ago
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  • TankovayaDiviziya@lemmy.world
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    “But… but… communism had never been tried!”

    “That wasn’t real communism!”

    “Read the theory!”

    “Communism is the solution to climate change.”— proceeds to industrialise Aral Sea leading to shrinkage; and built the Three Gorges Dam leading to the massive deforestation and loss of biodiversity in flooded lands

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      Communism, the movement, has been tried and is continued to be tried. Communism, the end status of a global worker Republic devoid of class antagonisms, has never been reached. These are completely acceptable and compatible statements.

      This brings us to the third: read theory so you don’t think this is some “gotcha” anymore.

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        And what empirically happened every time communism has been tried?

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          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_involvement_in_regime_change_in_Latin_America

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            That warning is the sickest burn I’ve seen on Wikipedia.

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              I especially love that it had to be split out to differentiate the latin american regime changes. They may as well just place a big H1 heading stating “THE U.S. IS EVIL”

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            https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_involvement_in_regime_change

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              the U.S. performed at least 81 overt and covert known interventions in foreign elections from 1946 to 2000

              the Soviet Union and Russia engaged in 36 interventions in foreign elections from 1946 to 2000

              2.25 times as many interventions, and many of them were wars no where close to US land, while many of the USSR ones listed are directly related to defeating the Nazis and Imperial Japan in WW2.

              During World War II, the Soviet Union helped overthrow many puppet regimes of Nazi Germany and the Empire of Japan, including in East Asia and much of Europe. Soviet forces were also instrumental in ending the rule of Adolf Hitler over Germany.

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              Are you going somewhere with that? Or is this straight up a whataboutism?

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          Large increases in home ownership, literacy rates, life expectancy, democratization, and quality of life as opposed to previous conditions.

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            And tens of millions of people being forced into the grave by starvation or outright murdered en masse

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              Starvation was ended by Socialism.

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              80 gorillion no ifone 🍆✊

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            Large home ownership with poor quality.

            Literacy rates achieved just as in democratic country.

            Yes, Democratic People’s Republic of Korea is democratic. “It’s in the name.”

            Quality of life: you have to wait seven years to receive a car and long bread lines.

            Life expectancy: shorter if the centralised authorirty did not artificially create famine and don’t send you to gulag or re-education camp

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              AES states are democratic. Study the structures themselves.

              The quality of life was far higher than previously, and continues to improve.

              AES states solved famines.

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                  You need to stop repeating US state propaganda and actually study AES and Marxist theory. Quality of life improved over time, greatly so, and most former-soviets say they are worse off now than in the USSR.

                  Famines were commonplace in Russia and China before they became Socialist, then they had their last major famines before stabilizing production and ending famine.

                  Read Blackshirts and Reds.

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                    Famines only stopped after decentralising agricultural production and even liberalising the economy. That being said, China today is communist in name only. The only communist country experiencing food shortages, if not famine, is North Korea.

                    No need for theory when empirical evidence is clear as day. Stop repeating communist propaganda and see reality without turning a blind eye .

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      • China 9 years ahead of schedule on meeting its Paris agreement climate change goals.
      • China has large, state-funded. programs to combat desertification

      Meanwhile the US alternates having a climate-change denier hold its highest office. Also it’s military is currently the world’s largest polluter.

      Do you have any sources on this aria sea and three gorges dam business?

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        Wikipedia is one click away:

        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aral_Sea

        Formerly the third-largest lake in the world with an area of 68,000 km2 (26,300 sq mi), the Aral Sea began shrinking in the 1960s after the rivers that fed it were diverted by Soviet irrigation projects. By 2007, it had declined to 10% of its original size

        former United Nations Secretary General Ban Ki-moon called the shrinking of the Aral Sea “one of the planet’s worst environmental disasters”.

        The Aral Sea region is heavily polluted, with consequent serious public health problems. UNESCO has added historical documents concerning the Aral Sea to its Memory of the World Register as a resource to study the environmental tragedy.

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            Probably also unaware of the dust bowl and of what’s happening to the Great Salt Lake right now.

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              And yet the Soviet authorities repeated the same mistakes themselves.

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                Yes, they took a time machine and repeated the same mistakes in the past 🙄

                It is we who are repeating now-understood, known mistakes now.

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            What does the Aral sea have to do with climate change? The point is that communism doesn’t have any kind of inherent conservationist tendency to it.

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            Climate change has been and always been known more than 100 years ago. https://theconversation.com/for-110-years-climate-change-has-been-in-the-news-are-we-finally-ready-to-listen-188646

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          And there is this….

          https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tulare_Lake

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            So instead of learning from previous mistakes, the communists repeated it themselves.

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