Come the fuck on. Taiwan was returned to China after WW2. It’s where the Chinese national govt fled to (you know, adversary), it’s populated by Chinese, and is strategically important because it blocks China in. I don’t like the situation any more than anyone else but let’s discuss it intelligently rather than stupid gotchas.
What do you think the situation would be if the US Civil War ended in a stalemate? Either side drove the other to Long Island, except in this case Long Island controls all your sea access. (If they were both adamant on taking over the other and neither side signed a peace treaty.) That’s what this is, it’s a civil war that never ended. I’m going to leave the rest of that one alone, but you should explore your line of thinking on it.
There’s a string of Japanese islands from Japan to Taiwan called the Ryukyu Islands. If someone wanted to use those islands to block China in, it would be extremely simple. Between Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and in the South Philippines, Malaysia they are easily blocked in. If they have Taiwan they have an out, that’s why they want it so badly (besides all the other things).
It really clicked in for me when I saw these kind of maps. These ones aren’t quite as good or blatant, you have to look a bit more carefully. Remember Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines and Malaysia are US allies.
Remember Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines and Malaysia are US allies.
It’s a little more than just being allies.
The South Korean military is under US control. (South Korea has symbolic control during peace time, but “operational control” reverts to the US during wartime.) South Korea has been asking the US to give them operational control of their own army for decades, but the US has never done so.
And Japan does not have its own army. As per the US-Japan Security Treaty (which was forced on Japan after WWII), the US military is in charge of the defense of Japan. The US has more troops in Japan than in any other foreign country.
There was a time when China was being carved up just like Africa had been. They were a hair away from ending up like Africa. There’s plenty to not like about China, but I can understand their paranoia.
Being invaded for centuries doesn’t make sense why they’re afraid of being invaded?
Like I said there are plenty of things to not like about China, but I can understand their paranoia. That you can’t understand either of these statements sets off my bad faith spidy sense. Ciao.
Edit: You think that’s busted? lol. Looks like I was right.
Here’s a thought experiment: Take the US civil war, the Confederacy says it’s the real US. Does that make it a country? Does the North get to say anything about that? Who decides what?
In this case Taiwan has never said it’s it’s own country, you can thank the delusional kmt for that. They (Taiwan) said they are the real China. So in our thought experiment: the Confederacy says it’s the US, the North says it’s the US, and nothing goes anywhere. Who gets to say what? Do foreign countries get a say?
This is not half the country splitting up, this is an island.
If the confederacy evacuated to florida, diverged culturally, was defacto independent and minding thier own business other than some stupid ancient political fued that doesn’t matter?
Hell yes they should be independent. I would be utterly ashamed of the US for invading a Florida that did not want to be invade.
I said it in a different comment: one side drives the other to Long Island. Both sides continue to say they are the US, neither wants to sign a peace treaty or even armistice, both sides want and claim the other’s land. They don’t say they’re independent, they say they are the US. And in this case Long Island controls yoursea access and is supported by a hostile country. Remember the war never ended, neither side signed or wanted to sign shit. What now? Who gets to decide? Do foreign countries get to decide?
People today are still obsessed with the civil war and fly Confederate flags, and that shit was actually settled and a long time ago too. China’s is much more recent and still relevant. See my other comments.
Come the fuck on. Taiwan was returned to China after WW2. It’s where the Chinese national govt fled to (you know, adversary), it’s populated by Chinese, and is strategically important because it blocks China in. I don’t like the situation any more than anyone else but let’s discuss it intelligently rather than stupid gotchas.
Stupid gotchas have their place in undermining imperialistic narratives about how Taiwan “rightfully” belongs to the PRC.
No territory rightfully belongs to anyone but it’s inhabitants.
What do you think the situation would be if the US Civil War ended in a stalemate? Either side drove the other to Long Island, except in this case Long Island controls all your sea access. (If they were both adamant on taking over the other and neither side signed a peace treaty.) That’s what this is, it’s a civil war that never ended. I’m going to leave the rest of that one alone, but you should explore your line of thinking on it.
How exactly does a small island off the south east coast block China in?
There’s a string of Japanese islands from Japan to Taiwan called the Ryukyu Islands. If someone wanted to use those islands to block China in, it would be extremely simple. Between Korea, Japan, Taiwan, and in the South Philippines, Malaysia they are easily blocked in. If they have Taiwan they have an out, that’s why they want it so badly (besides all the other things).
It really clicked in for me when I saw these kind of maps. These ones aren’t quite as good or blatant, you have to look a bit more carefully. Remember Japan, Korea, Taiwan, Philippines and Malaysia are US allies.
https://bigthink.com/strange-maps/an-astronauts-view-reveals-chinas-geopolitical-claustrophobia/
https://www.geostrategy.org.uk/research/the-chinese-perspective-of-the-pacific-region/
It’s a little more than just being allies.
The South Korean military is under US control. (South Korea has symbolic control during peace time, but “operational control” reverts to the US during wartime.) South Korea has been asking the US to give them operational control of their own army for decades, but the US has never done so.
And Japan does not have its own army. As per the US-Japan Security Treaty (which was forced on Japan after WWII), the US military is in charge of the defense of Japan. The US has more troops in Japan than in any other foreign country.
Oh, the old USA bad…
My point is that the US has an unusually high degree of control over the waters near China’s coast.
International waters or other countries waters are none of chinas business.
Side question, what’s your take on the massacre on Tianmen square and also the prosecution of the yughurs?
Someone upthread asked how China was blocked in, and I was helping to answer their question.
My take is you can’t spell either of them correctly.
No other comment about Tianmen or Uyghurs?
Edit: Busted!
Not what the USA said about Cuba but OK
Or the brittish in 1762 or whatever.
Why should the USA suddenly dictate stuff?
Why on earth would the US & allies want to “block in” China?
There was a time when China was being carved up just like Africa had been. They were a hair away from ending up like Africa. There’s plenty to not like about China, but I can understand their paranoia.
Wut, that doesn’t make any kind of sense like at all.
A side question, what’s your take on the massacre on Tianmen square and also the prosecution of the yughurs?
Edit: Busted!
Being invaded for centuries doesn’t make sense why they’re afraid of being invaded?
Like I said there are plenty of things to not like about China, but I can understand their paranoia. That you can’t understand either of these statements sets off my bad faith spidy sense. Ciao.
Edit: You think that’s busted? lol. Looks like I was right.
Ok Tankie
Hey I got my first “I disagree so you must be a tankie” lol.
Ok Tankie
Oh and he’s stuck on repeat already. Stunning vocabulary and discussion skills on display. Have fun!
OK. Taiwan wants to be independent. It effectively already is.
Done.
Here’s a thought experiment: Take the US civil war, the Confederacy says it’s the real US. Does that make it a country? Does the North get to say anything about that? Who decides what?
In this case Taiwan has never said it’s it’s own country, you can thank the delusional kmt for that. They (Taiwan) said they are the real China. So in our thought experiment: the Confederacy says it’s the US, the North says it’s the US, and nothing goes anywhere. Who gets to say what? Do foreign countries get a say?
This is not half the country splitting up, this is an island.
If the confederacy evacuated to florida, diverged culturally, was defacto independent and minding thier own business other than some stupid ancient political fued that doesn’t matter?
Hell yes they should be independent. I would be utterly ashamed of the US for invading a Florida that did not want to be invade.
I said it in a different comment: one side drives the other to Long Island. Both sides continue to say they are the US, neither wants to sign a peace treaty or even armistice, both sides want and claim the other’s land. They don’t say they’re independent, they say they are the US. And in this case Long Island controls yoursea access and is supported by a hostile country. Remember the war never ended, neither side signed or wanted to sign shit. What now? Who gets to decide? Do foreign countries get to decide?
People today are still obsessed with the civil war and fly Confederate flags, and that shit was actually settled and a long time ago too. China’s is much more recent and still relevant. See my other comments.