“Well don’t stand in the genocide zone!”
Why start now?
https://www.npr.org/2024/03/30/1241231447/rachel-corrie-gaza-palestinians-aid-israel-hamas-war
Israel killed her 21 years ago.
All part of Israeli policy of bulldozing the homes of people who dare resist them.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_demolition_of_Palestinian_property
I will never forget Rachel Corrie.
Americans are upset, just politicians are afraid to lose their annual bribes if they talk outside of church.
The other side gives bribes too. The only difference is that Israel has a stronger lobby and a bigger pot to finance their payoffs.
This will never end until we get the money out of politics.
Wait, what’s the other side that pays folks to free Palestine? Honest question, because if they exist, they sure are doing a shit job.
Will the US respond? Yes! By reimbursing the ammunition used
The U.S. has responded. That IS the problem.
Respond with more money
If by respond you mean send even more bombs and weapons, then yes.
They responded to this in the past: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/traveladvisories/israel-west-bank-and-gaza-travel-advisory.html
This kind of thing is entirely predictable and US citizens have been warned by the State Department about there being an active conflict happening in the area.
So a US citizen died while ignoring a travel advisory from the US government. US citizenship doesn’t make someone invincible, and it doesn’t mean the US military is going to avenge your death (or whatever fantasy you can come up with) if you’re deliberately ignoring the warnings about an area of the world being dangerous. The obligation of protecting citizens was fulfilled by issuing the warning.
There is no legal obligation to protect citizens. Is there an ethical obligation? Kind of no, for reasons you listed, but kind of yes, because the cause of death was predictable and it’s something in the US has partial control over.
From a practical standpoint, we all agree that the US won’t do anything, because they certainly aren’t worried about pacifists in war zones where one of the sides is getting its weapons from the United States.
Yeah a country has an ethical obligation to protect it’s citizens. Which is why countries issue travel advisories. If you ignore the warnings your country is giving you, that ethical obligation doesn’t apply because it was already fulfilled by the warning.
“Don’t go over there, it’s dangerous!”
“Screw you, I’m not listening to you!”
Problem happens.
“Why did you allow this dangerous thing to happen???”
Although there are a bunch of ways the US can apply pressure. I think people overestimate the power ceasing weapon sales would have. While I believe it is the ethically right thing to do. It wouldn’t really hinder Israel’s ability to wage this war. It is allowing them to maintain their very vast stockpiles. But they could probably go years without even getting low, much less running out, without external weapons.
Democrats are limp wristed when it comes to Israel. Expect more death, they won’t raise a finger to stop it. Republicans aren’t any better.
Both sides huh? Last I heard the Democrats are negotiating a peace treaty and the Republikkklowns are writing finish them on the bombs.
What’s your angle?
Amazing how that it’s already done peace deal still isn’t done. Almost like dems and bibi don’t care about getting it done
The US has presented 3 separate peace deals that everyone has accepted but Netanyahu has sabotaged at the last minute. That is not the fault of “the Dems”.
At the same time, Republicans have yet to do anything but cheer on the genocide in Gaza and the violence in the West Bank.
The US has presented 3 separate peace deals that everyone has accepted but Netanyahu has sabotaged at the last minute.
Because Netanyahu knows he’ll keep getting his genocidin’ weapons no matter what he does.
There are Republicans in Congress voting to authorize those packages, too.
And still no Republicans calling for peace or trying to get Netanyahu to accept the terms of the peace deals, nor Republicans decrying the genocide in Gaza or the West Bank…
Congratulations on having two parties that vote for the policies you support. Not getting how that is some sort of comeback to my assertion that Netanyahu is getting the weapons no matter what he does.
Ah, so now it’s my fault, too, eh? Lmao
How much of that is from the 10 year weapons contract signed in 2016?
How does that exempt us from the Leahy Law?
You know the deal. You know what’s happening, I asked what’s your angle and you seem to refuse to answer that. I’ll give you a quick ELI5, Iran will run roughshot over the middle east if there isn’t someone there to keep them inline. Israel is that someone. If you don’t see that, you’re either wearing blinders, or you’re a bad actor.
Why would Israel do anything if they can keep going and have no consequences?
Notice how many othet administrations, including Republicans, have managed to reign in Israel. Yet all this one does is well let me wag my fingers harder
Right, it’s everyone else’s fault but Netanyahu’s
Good thing we gave him multi standing ovations
speak for yourself. i certainly didn’t.
I love your blaming the dems as the world sits by. It’s wild how the dems are more powerful than world combined. Weird almost.
The rest of the world combined isn’t funneling billions of dollars worth of weapons into the conflict.
The 10 year weapons deal signed in 2016? You do you, I’ll blame Israel for the genocide and the rest of the world that isn’t pushing for a peace treaty like the US currently is.
Let me get this straight. Liberals are now, unironically, using international law as a defense for being the primary arms supplier of a literal genocide. And that’s supposed to be an excuse to vote Blue MAGA.
Lmao
Lmao you’re pretty funny. Oh wait .ml ROFLMAO
I have no idea why you keep bringing up that particular deal. It’s not like it’s the only or even last deal the US has signed.
The US hasn’t stopped. The US went out of its way to
ensureassure Israel that there wouldn’t even be any delays in shipments.The US is blatantly enabling genocide and it’s currently headed by the Biden administration.
I’ll lay out for you since you seem to be struggling, that or you have some form of narrative you’re trying to push, but you wouldn’t be doing that right?
Israel is committing a genocide that the US is trying to get a cease fire/peace treaty for. That’s more than the rest of world but you don’t care because??? Narrative? Without support to Israel, Iran would run roughshot through the middle east killing more people and causing bigger problems. That’s why the world hasn’t stepped in and stomped Israel. It’s like the world is playing chess and you’re playing tic tac toe.
Save your bullshit response. There’s nothing else to be said.
The 10 year weapons deal signed in 2016?
The Leahy Law prohibits selling weapons for genocide. Keep ignoring this because it’s something you don’t want to hear and call me a foreign shill some more. Lying in support of genocide is all centrists do.
10 U.S. Code 2249 section b:
Exception.—The prohibition in subsection (a)(1) shall not apply if the Secretary of Defense, after consultation with the Secretary of State, determines that the government of such country has taken all necessary corrective steps, or if the equipment or other assistance is necessary to assist in disaster relief operations or other humanitarian or national security emergencies.
I don’t have a degree in political science, and I’m not a lawyer but there’s the answer to your Leahy Law, but the last three words should sum it up. It also is talking about aid and not an existing contract. The more you know right?
You keep saying I support genocide, this is false and an outright lie. I’ve said over and over I do not support a genocide, not the one in Israel, China, or Ukraine. You’ve only mentioned Israel and you blame the US. What I find the most odd is this talk has been going on for a while. “Genocide Joe” that was the talking point, all you saw, everywhere. Genocide Joe. Then, Joe Biden drops out and SILENCE. No more talk of genocide for days. Nothing. Now everyone got their bearings straight and here we are again with all the “people” talking about the US and the dems fault for the genocide.
Why was there a break when Joe Biden dropped out? A real head scratcher isn’t it?
Almost like the world doesn’t want to also anger the USA
So now it’s the USA and not just the all powerful dems? Sorry, it’s hard to follow when your goal posts are mounted to a Bugatti.
The current president of the USA is a Democrat.
Democrats used to say, “The buck stops here.”
Wtf are on about?
The lobbyists getting fat and rich off their layouts from weapons manufacturers will ensure it never gets done. Who do you think Israel is getting all their guns and drones and missiles from? Guess what? It’s the same place Hamas gets theirs from. The only difference between them is the number of bank accounts and off-the-books deals on the way there.
Those bombs will keep flowing to both sides as long as money keeps flowing back. Ideology has nothing to do with it. It’s all about the cash.
Republicans are far, far worse… Why are you framing it this way? This is just intellectual dishonesty.
Oh fuck yeah. They’ve killed TWO of ours now!? We’ll suck their dick harder!
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Just say Jews. You mean Jews.
Globalists, Zionist elite, international cabal…just say Jews.
Your dog whistles are heard loud and clear on the internet these days.
We really need to Make Nazis Afraid Again
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You’re the anti-semite here, you’re the one mixing up Jews with a genocidal terrorist group.
There is a difference between “Jews” and “Zionists”. Same as there’s a difference between “Whites” and “White Supremacists”.
Where it starts getting weird are the non-Jewish Zionists and the non-white white supremacists.
Maybe stay the fuck out of the West Bank?
During the BLM protests, whenever a piece of shit would drive through a group of protesters, white nationalists would all be like “stay out of the street and you won’t get hit lol.”
This happened even when the protesters were crossing with the light at a crosswalk.
You remind me of them.
Yeah definitely the same thing.
Your reaction is certainly reminiscent.
What? Are you saying non-combatants are in danger from Israeli attacks?
* shocked Pikachu *
Why?
Because there’s a war going on?
You know theres no Hamas in the west bank right? If theres any kind of ‘war’ going on in the west bank its the IDF vs civilians, but hey that’s a tale as old as time isn’t it?
that’s not a very helpful suggestion considering that a good number of people are there specifically because there is a war going on.
Do you know how many Americans the US government kills in the US? Why would they give a shit about one more far away?
Lol.
I think people forget that cops are part of the government and they definitely kill innocent people.
Funny that just last week an American was shot in the head, executed by Hamas, and there wasn’t an Intercept article mentioning it. Maybe it’s just not fashionable to be outraged about it, and it wouldn’t get enough clicks.
Are you actually claiming there was no media coverage of the murdered hostages?
There is a very good argument that the role of non mainstream news sources, like the Intercept, it to shed light on the news that mainstream media doesn’t raise.
If the CNN was blasting 24 hours the news about this American being shot, I’m pretty sure the Intercept would not bother either.
Just an observation on the nature of media and events. The Intercept is hardly mainstream. Instead of reporting facts it produces outrage purposed dribble, and this is a good example. In this case, those facts are not determined, and the US State Department is seeking them. That’s the way CNN reported it anyway. Should this turn into an Ashli Babbitt situation, the Intercept will not report it and it will not be here because it won’t suit the fashionable narrative.
On a side note, I wonder what this story has to do with US Politics. Although I do see a mod in the string who should be able to explain that, but probably won’t
“Why don’t you ever talk about the deaths centrists aren’t happy about?!”
I would hope that if you are any kind of US citizen, you would not be happy about it either. There are forest and trees, but you only see one.
We only fund one of these warring terrorist groups. Do not see that difference?
Our taxes paid for the killing of a US citizen.
So the Intercept is triggering you with this death for a purpose of government funding, while ignoring the other? IDK which is worse and it is what I said originally. Shame these young people died, but in one case we know what happened, but in this case we don’t.
so you dont see the difference between us killing one of our own and someone else doing it?
Both are dead.
We didn’t kill anyone. We don’t know the facts, that’s why the US State Department is investigating.
US State Department is
investigatingwaiting for idf to investigate.It’s almost been a year of Israel indiscriminately killing in the area and the state department still refuses to do an investigation. Still waiting for Israel to investigate themselves.
But yeah sure. We’re totally gonna do something other than fund and supply weapons
So the Intercept is triggering you with this death
Just ignore it if it makes Netanyahu look bad!
Bibi is an asshole
Is that why you’re whatabouting for him?
We know exactly what happened, the US is just using delay tactics. Why are you upset that people are upset about the extrajudicial killing of an American Citizen by a foreign State. The IDF has killed so many American Citizens already, on top of you know, the genocide.
American-Turkish human rights activist Aysenur Ezgi Eygi, 26, succumbed to her wounds on Friday after being shot in the head by Israeli forces during a weekly protest against settlement expansions in the West Bank, according to Palestinian Authority-run news outlet Wafa.
Ever hear of Ashli Babbitt? You don’t know the circumstance , only the method.
Dude, what are you talking about. How are you comparing this situation to someone who actively took part in Jan 6th’s insurrection.
We have multiple eyewitness accounts about exactly what happened
I’m not. I’m also not cynically using it to whatabout in favor of a genocidal apartheid state like you’re doing.
All of a sudden by questioning the Intercept I’m supporting some state? That line of logic just doesn’t exist.
Then why whatabout?
I was making mention of publishing one story and ignoring another. The Intercept only wants to trigger you, and it looks like they were successful
You were whining that the intercept isn’t running articles you would prefer to see and instead running articles you don’t want anyone to ever know about.
People expect terrorists to shoot innocent people in the head. They don’t accept it when people claiming to fight terrorists shoot innocent people in the head.
Ask a Palestinian in the West Bank if they think Hamas are terrorists or freedom fighters.
“Terrorist” is a thought-terminating cliche.
Both Israel and Hamas are religious extremists who exploit and murder innocent civilians. Neither one is worthy of our aid or our defense. Send aid to the poor people caught in the middle of this shit and stop sending weapons.
The question isn’t why Palestinians aren’t reporting on Hamas killing someone, the question is why isn’t the West reporting on it.
Hamas killing someone is expected behavior.
BTW. What does this story have to do with US politics?
The lack of a response is very much US Politics.
My first reaction to that is something about the output of male cows
See it’s shit like this that shows you aren’t ever arguing in good faith
Never mind what I was responding to then.
Weapons. That’s the connection.
The US sends vast arsenals to Israel and Israel uses those weapons for genocide and other war crimes.
This woman was killed with small arms fire. The US does not supply such weapons or ammo to Isreal.
If you look hard enough you can always find a nit to pick.
When there are billions of dollars of heavy weapons pounding the entire area to dust, it’s completely disingenuous to talk about who paid for a particular bullet or gun.
The entire operation is heavily subsidized by US military donations.
A rational person would surmise that if the weapon wasn’t US supplied she would have been shot in any case and weapons supplied by the US has nothing to do with the fact this is not about US politics.
But, the outrage machine doesn’t look at facts.
They simply deal with hyperbolic nonsense, like your last sentance.
A rational person would take the information in context. The shooter was not acting in isolation. The shooter was part of an organized military that is heavily subsidized by the US government.
What’s hyperbolic about the last sentence? It’s an easily demonstrated fact that the US sends billions of dollars in military aid to Israel. It’s an easily verified fact that this is a large portion of Israel’s military budget.
You couch this story like you know what happened. You don’t
That’s outrageous. We should immediately stop funding Hamas.
No more weapons packages.
No more military funding.
The Gerald R. Ford Carrier Strike Group should stop supporting them now.
Um, this clearly falls under the US policy regarding its citizens vis a vis ‘play stupid games, win stupid prizes’.
Like going to a concert near the border of Gaza and presidents ignoring intel briefings. Stupid games, stupid prizes.
Or living in a country where you’re clearly not wanted.
Does that include Israeli Americans? Because I don’t think it does.
Edit: unless they happen to be you know left wing ones protesting apartheid. Then they’re fair game.
Would you be saying the same thing if the insurrectionists were mowed down by the national guard on Jan 6?
Ashli Babbitt got what she had coming. Play stupid games win stupid prizes, right?
Or is that different somehow because she was a righty?
You idiots are going to have to FAFO the hard way. Go ahead and try again when Trump loses, we have a president that will deploy the national guard and open fire on you terrorists
edit: go ahead and censor this comment, nothing illegal is suggested. no violence is threatened on my part. I am in support of protecting our capital from terrorism
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That policy doesn’t seem to apply to people living in Russia, or even travelling to North Korea.
Really? Americans have gone to Russia or NK to protest in front of their soldiers and didn’t win a stupid prize?
Nope US life is expendable.
