• archomrade [he/him]@midwest.social
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    Not many others with the same ideological alignment and geological position to exert control over access to trade routes through and around the Mediterranean, we don’t.

    To say nothing of the significance of Israel as an intelligence apparatus - Israel is probably the most important ally in that region by a mile.

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      Not many others with the same ideological alignment and geological position to exert control over access to trade routes through and around the Mediterranean, we don’t.

      Ah, yes, the important thoroughfare of Israel, the crossroads of the Middle East. Israeli shipping and port systems definitely aren’t notoriously corrupt and inefficient, and we all know the importance of Israel’s territorial waters, which don’t even extend into the Red Sea, much less the Gulf of Suez. And who doesn’t pass by Israel’s Mediterranean territorial waters when shipping to many other countries, such as [checks notes] Turkiye, Syria, or Israel? Good thing we don’t need other aligned states in the area which Israel agitates, like Egypt, or Saudi Arabia. I mean, imagine if Egypt had some sort of vital canal to world trade running through it, or if the Saudis’ coastline extended along one of the most traveled shipping lanes in the world? Ha ha, wow, we would have to be really stupid to back Israel if that was the case!

      To say nothing of the significance of Israel as an intelligence apparatus - Israel is probably the most important ally in that region by a mile.

      Israeli intelligence is useful, but very far from indispensable, especially considering Israel’s political objectives in presenting and sharing evidence.

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        And who doesn’t pass by Israel’s Mediterranean territorial waters when shipping to many other countries, such as [checks notes] Turkiye, Syria, or Israel?

        Right, because countries can only really exert control and influence over their immediate surroundings. Especially when those countries have a willingness and motivation to use their significant intelligence/military funding, which is useful only to the immediate territorial boundaries of that area and not any further. I see no usefulness for, hypothetically, restricting Iranian diplomatic and militarization activities by having a nuclear superpower and counterintelligence capabilities with western ties and assets in the region.

        Certainly not. Especially a nation whose aggression could be spun sympathetically as defensive against islamic/arabic [scary] antisemitism, if it were ever to occur, as opposed to a nation who may not have a compelling narrative of oppression, or isn’t ideologically set in judeo-christian providence.

        Get real. If Egypt clamped down on the suez canal they’d be thrown out of the UN and sanctioned so fast their economy would collapse before the first flood gate closed.

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          Get real. If Egypt clamped down on the suez canal they’d be thrown out of the UN and sanctioned so fast their economy would collapse before the first flood gate closed.

          What is 1967-1975?

          I find it amusing, as well, that you find Israel’s military capacity to disrupt trade as important here. But I suppose that reflects your generally low level of education on the history and geopolitics of the region.

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            I find it amusing that your perspective is apparently that the region just isnt important, and our continued involvement and presence there (at great cost) is just some unexplainable enigma that boils down to personal grievances between leaders

            It exists solely to suppress democratic electoral turnout i guess lmao

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              is just some unexplainable enigma that boils down to personal grievances between leaders

              That’s about the reading comprehension I expected of you as well.