https://twitter.com/War_Takes/status/1546579298508750852?cxt=HHwWiICyibHrxvYqAAAA

The Rhodesia episode itself was good, but then I went through his tweets. of course he omits the NATO proxy war when discussing ukraine (framing it purely as a russian invasion that happened for no reason) in addition he had this lovely drivel where he responded to Luna Oi, saying she’s “Denying the agency” of people in countries like Vietnam (her home) for noticing how often the US backs color revolutions. He’s also quote tweeting himself while claiming “tankies” called him a “cuck” and presenting no evidence anyone said any of those things.

After this guy, and AdamSomething, I’m waiting for them to bring Vaush on and start complaining about “tankies” every episode. I’m starting to think the entire “Nate Bethea” produced podcast circuit: WTYP, Trash Future, Lions Led By Donkeys, 10K Losses, etc. is just social imperialist drivel. Nate Bethea and Joe Kasabian are both vets of the US invasion of Afghanistan (not conscripts, but actual fucking volunteers who fell for imperialist propaganda and now feel or pretend to feel some guilt about it) , and wouldn’t you know it, every podcast Nate Bethea produces tows a tepid “both sides are always equally bad” line with regards to US imperialism. Joe Kasabian in particularly loves to play up Soviet atrocities with western sources like Montefiore and Snyder. Weird. Getting very disappointed in this shit. Chapo-adjacent pods, for all their faults, aren’t nearly this bad when it comes to US imperialism.

Getting real tired of this line I see increasingly in media: Pointing out US hegemonic involvement is “denial of the people’s agency”. If you point out the US’s specific involvement in this or that coup, this or that color revolution, this or that forced loan, this or that diplomatic pressure, no matter how specific you get, or how well-documented your sources, you get accused by liberals of “believing everything ever is the USA’s fault.” They apply a false broadness of scope to the specific historical point to discredit it.

  • Ram_The_Manparts [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    2·
    4 years ago

    Holy shit, fuck these libs so much. Of all the people you could go after, you choose Luna Oi? Over something like this?

    The western “left” is a fucking joke.

  • Patriot [comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    4 years ago

    WTYP is a PROUD COMPANY run by three TRUE ENTREPRENEURS for the IMPERIAL INTERESTS of this BUSTY but still CHASTE nation we called the UNITED STATES

  • TreadOnMe [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    4 years ago

    Idk bro, we literally just saw two U.S. backed (notice I didn’t say caused, though I could easily make that case for Venezuela) attempts at revolutions in both Venezuela and Bolivia in the last 6 years. I’d say chances are pretty good that there are others that are always on the boiler plate.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      2·
      4 years ago

      I’m firmly of the opinion that the CIA gets up to so much shit that it is 100% rational to assume that if something bad happens they had a hand in it.

  • Mardoniush [she/her]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    4 years ago

    Another reminder that the point of a Colour Revolution is to take a government’s fuck ups and popular discontent and turn it into a vehicle for CIA back neoliberalism. A revolution can be driven by legitimate grievances and still be a USA backed coup.

  • Alaskaball [comrade/them, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    4 years ago

    I’m starting to think the entire “Nate Bethea” produced podcast circuit: WTYP, Trash Future, Lions Led By Donkeys, 10K Losses, etc. is just social imperialist drivel.

    I could have told you that, and I don’t even know who these people are.

  • TheBroodian [none/use name]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    4 years ago

    After this guy, and AdamSomething, I’m waiting for them to bring Vaush on and start complaining about “tankies” every episode. I’m starting to think the entire “Nate Bethea” produced podcast circuit: WTYP, Trash Future, Lions Led By Donkeys, 10K Losses, etc. is just social imperialist drivel.

    The same alarms have been going off in my head, too. It doesn’t take long listening to any one of these pods before they force feed you a little bit of shit mixed in with their goods. Hell, just this last WTYP episode, Liam had to take time to make a comment about how, “Communists, known for being the good guys” or whatever.

    • ssjmarx [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      4 years ago

      a little bit of shit mixed in with their goods

      That pod is more shit than goods IMO, for like the last ten or so WTYPs I’ve stopped listening after only a couple of minutes. Still subbed to their YouTube though, the rat viscera bit was just that good I guess.

      • Ziege_Bock [any]@hexbear.netEnglish
        1·
        4 years ago

        I’ve seen Liam, he’s liable to die of a heart attack or stroke if he were to ever get into a fight, but he’s always talking about fighting people or fucking people up in the most toxic ways, it’s so goddamn obnoxious. He’s also not funny and adds so little to the podcast, the best things I’ve heard him say are how his socialist dad makes fun of him for being an anarchist.

        • CliffordBigRedDog [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
          1·
          4 years ago

          He and Alice make it impossible to pay attention to the pod

          Like rosz will talk about support beams or something and he and alice will butt in with some random anecdote

    • LeninWeave [none/use name, any]@hexbear.netEnglish
      1·
      4 years ago

      Hell, just this last WTYP episode, Liam had to take time to make a comment about how, “Communists, known for being the good guys” or whatever.

      Literally indistinguishable from something a Nazi might say during an online argument for a liberal audience. Cool.

  • ssjmarx [he/him]@hexbear.netEnglish
    1·
    4 years ago

    He’s doing the classic Twitter thing of making up a guy and getting mad at them, but he’s insisting that the guy he made up is representative of all “tankies”.

    “Tankies” almost always have the most nuanced and informed takes about protests and uprisings outside the imperial core, meanwhile idealist leftists like to imagine that every single demonstration by a large group of people is proletarian in character and fueled by nothing but legitimate grievances against the obviously bad leadership and happened completely in a vacuum unaffected by events elsewhere.

  • Biggay [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.netEnglish
    0·
    4 years ago

    The problem is Liam and if I could, can I just take a second to just whine about how much Liam sucks? I dont feel like he adds anything to the podcasts he’s in. He’s shitty and boring, which unlike a lot of the people most people here would complain about tend to be bad and funny. Dude has the most boilerplate :liberalism: takes about politics and just likes to make Roz bleep out the venting that is too hyperbolic for someone like him to actually do.

    I cant speak about Nate Bethea being bad, I only started listening to LLBD and wasnt really impressed by him as I was Liam.