• Cowbee [he/him]@lemmy.ml
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    I think calling Arab-Americans stupid for refusing to vote for genocide is racist. Harris is handing Trump a victory because she can’t cease US support for Israel.

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      I don’t think anyone is calling anyone stupid for calling for an end to the genocide. But what’s stupid is when people think that Trump will somehow stop the genocide.

      Oh and btw… I was banned from world news. LOL.

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          Meaning these people are consciously assisting continuing what they believe is a genocide abroad AND making things worse here too?

          Or do they not understand FPTP voting?

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            As so many Harris-voting lemmitors have instructed me, stopping the genocide is not on the effective ballot as-presented, so no, they are not assisting continuing what is absolutely a genocide. The goal is that they either pressure Harris to not be a ghoul, because they presume she cares about winning more than aiding genocide (this is most likely false) or, if Harris sticks to her guns and either loses or wins by such slim margins that it makes the Dem winning next election without stopping Israel much more hazardous, they (the Muslim/Arab voters) can extract concessions, because even electoral politics doesn’t end with one election cycle, and some strategies aimed at maximizing some long term result can introduce a risk or even a guarantee of short-term costs.

            I don’t believe, like I think those voters do, that Dems would trade Israel slaughtering with impunity even for a guaranteed victory, but I think them demonstrating that unwillingness has its own value, since the DNC needs to be brought down. I don’t expect you to agree to this and am not terribly interested in persuading you, I’m just offering an explanation.

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          Then why not vote for the other people, who will possibly make it a slightly less bad genocide? What’s wrong with less bad?

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            You’d have to ask them. If your family or the families of people in your community were being slaughtered by the incumbent administration, you might discover you have a red line after all. Fortunately for you, you’ll probably never really know.

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        When you are faced with high numbers of marginalized people refusing to vote for candidates contributing to the genocide of friends, relatives, and people of a similar heritage, and your response is that they are “stupid,” rather than trying to understand why they are acting in that manner, you assert yourself as more “enlightened,” and the marginalized people as uniquely stupid. That is why it is racist.

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          It’s like you didn’t even read what I wrote.

          It’s NOT uniquely stupid. Dummies vote against their interests all the time (see comment about white Christians).

          And it doesn’t take any special enlightenment to acknowledge how FPTP voting works. In fact, it’s so simple, you’d have to be pretty stupid to be unaware.

          But keep ruining that word to the point of meaninglessness.

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            I read every word of what you wrote.

            Arab-Americans are refusing to vote for genocide at much, much higher rates than other ethnicities. My answer is what they have been saying themselves: they can’t vote for continued genocide of their friends, family, and people of a similar background. Your answer is that it’s because Arab-Americans are uniquely stupid among ethnicities in America, which is racist.

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              Me:

              It’s NOT uniquely stupid. Dummies vote against their interests all the time (see comment about white Christians).

              You:

              Your answer is that it’s because Arab-Americans are uniquely stupid

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                Why aren’t White Christians abandoning Harris, but Arab-Americans are? Your answer thus far had been that Arab-Americans are stupid.

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                    What are you not getting? You are refusing to analyze why voters are moving in different directions along ethnic lines and blaming it on ethnicities being more stupid.

                    Why is it that Arab-Americans are abandoning Harris but other ethnicitis are not at the same rate? Your answer has been “stupidity,” which is obviously racist.