Google just announced that all RCS conversations in Messages are now fully end-to-end encrypted, even in group chats. RCS stands for Rich Communication Services and is replacing traditional text and picture messaging, providing you with more dynamic and secure features. With RCS enabled, you can share high-res photos and videos, see typing indicators for your...

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Google just announced that all RCS conversations in Messages are now fully end-to-end encrypted, even in group chats. RCS stands for Rich Communication Services and is replacing traditional text and picture messaging, providing you with more dynamic and secure features. With RCS enabled, you can share high-res photos and videos, see typing indicators for your…

    • DingoBilly@lemmy.worldEnglish
      61·
      1 year ago

      Apple purposely will not integrate this to keep a walled garden around their ecosystem and make messaging between apole/Android a shit experience.

      In a perfect world everyone would just adopt rcs, it’s better for consumers but Apple only gives a shit about branding/$$$.

      • cjf@feddit.ukEnglish
        30·
        1 year ago

        The one thing that feels off to me about Google’s implementation is that it’s not vendor agnostic and all comms would need to go through Google’s servers to work. The E2EE bit is an entirely Google specific extension to RCS, for example. The last thing we need is another chromium situation in a different area.

        If it wasn’t a Google specific extension, phone networks around the world would need to pick up the pace and adopt RCS, but also they’d need to keep up to date with the latest version of the standard to ensure the functionality is supported. Now, looking at phone networks’ previous track record, they’re really not going to implement it unless they’re forced to and they’ll do so at a real snails pace.

        At this point I’d agree that Apple not adopting RCS is really not helpful here.

        I feel the EU’s Digital Market Act that’s forcing messenger applications to be interoperable with each other is going to be a much more viable option towards that perfect world scenario. The IETF is even fleshing out a common protocol for it, MIMI with MLS.

      • June@lemm.eeEnglish
        10·
        1 year ago

        Aside from the fact that Google finally implementing E2EE in RCS not having anything at all to do with Apple, I’m confused.

        Apple developed a fully encrypted messaging system 16 years ago, 4 years later RCS was developed but wasn’t even adopted by all three major US carriers until 2 years ago (much more complicated than just this as they refused to work together on Universal Profile standards and Google has so ‘valiantly’ stepped in to do it without them), and Apple is the bad guy for not switching to a competitors standard that was (until now) less secure, uses googles back end services, is arguably less capable, has an extremely poor desktop access experience, is less intuitive to enable, and takes away a competitive advantage? All while other E2EE messaging apps have been available on both iOS and Android for years.

        Why not push for google to adopt iMessage as a standard instead? Maybe google has been holding iMessage back for 16 years. Maybe Apple isn’t holding rcs back but carriers are. Or maybe it’s the GSMA. Or maybe it’s a larger systemic issue with capitalism. Or maybe it’s one of any number of other issues that makes it disadvantageous for Apple and Google to work together on this.

        This article, cancerous as the site is on mobile, does a good job breaking down the issue and how it’s not as clear cut as folks here are trying to make it: https://www.androidpolice.com/google-rcs-messaging-feud-apple-imessage/

        At the end of the day, y’all being angry at Apple about RCS sounds just a bit like simping for google and falling prey to their marketing campaign to try and win the messaging war. Im not really interested in experiencing another chromium situation but with messaging. Particularly when WhatsApp is king in the messaging space globally.

        • kali@lemmy.worldEnglish
          12·
          1 year ago

          Why not push for google to adopt iMessage as a standard instead?

          Because that would ruin Apple’s business model of ‘your friend doesn’t use iMessage because they have an android and thats on them’

          They wouldn’t make money off of iMessage being on androids, which they’ve shown with other things to be the only thing they really care aboyt.

        • happyhippo@feddit.itEnglish
          4·
          1 year ago

          Because Apple wouldn’t fucking let anybody else use iMessage.

          Whereas RCS is out there for anyone to use.

      • June@lemm.eeEnglish
        3·
        1 year ago

        Doesn’t really explain what google enabling E2E on RCA has to do with Apple

        • Swarfega@lemm.eeEnglish
          8·
          1 year ago

          He’s talking about RCS in general. Apple won’t implement it as it’s a huge threat to iMessage which is a service that keeps a lot of the US users buying their phones.

          • June@lemm.eeEnglish
            3·
            1 year ago

            Ok so here’s my take: Apple implemented a secure messaging system in 2007 with iMessage. Then, in 2011 Google started to implement RCS, which then took several years for it to begin rolling out and being adopted.

            Why doesn’t google push to adopt iMessage instead? It was implemented first and has been being constantly developed for 16 years and is certainly more well rounded than RCS.

            Now, everyone is angry that Apple won’t switch to a standard that’s not fully supported by all android devices or carriers, that is potentially less secure, AND takes away a competitive advantage and calls that ‘holding back RCS? I’ve been hearing about RCS for some 10 god damn years, back before I switched to iOS and it’s still not fully adopted across domestic carriers.

            Not to mention, I and many others are working to de-google our lives and I frankly don’t want my messaging going through google backends, even if they do assure me that it’s encrypted. If there’s one thing I know about Apple, it’s that they don’t share my data because it’s a competitive advantage not to. Google on the other hand seems to be happy to give it to anyone that wants it.

            Though I do think it’s funny how your article talks about all the problems with RCS adoption lying with everyone (carriers namely) centering around Google’s implementation of it and then lands on ‘Apple is making it lucrative for 3rd party apps like WhatsApp’ as it’s summary for how Apple is holding back RCS. The article and the headline don’t match.

            I’ll leave this here, not as a counter to yours, but as a more complete picture: https://www.androidpolice.com/google-rcs-messaging-feud-apple-imessage/

            Ultimately, Google is as much at fault as Apple for RCS’ low penetration. However, Apple’s reluctance to support RCS for iMessage and using the latter as an ecosystem lock-in is bad for consumers.