Uh huh, there I go again? This suddenly shifted from a reasonable conversation to bad faith rhetoric. This is collectively the fault of everyone who made piss poor, ineffectual efforts to stop it as a unified bloc. That encompasses a lot of folks. But as long as you have the specter of “they did it, not me” then I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.
I’m as guilty of that by saying that aligning with the larger contingent was the best way through, I suppose. But failing to even make a reasonable effort was beyond the pale. I didn’t want the outcome we got, but far too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster.
Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got? Because, for me, it was the most unfavorable situation. Working backward from that, it seemed self-evident that the clear path to avoiding it was to throw in with the only other viable option.
Anything else, any more complex assessment of the choice that was given to us, invited in division. The fascist platform was “fuck you” and everyone to the left of that was more concerned with the etymology of the phrase or the moral implications of flipping someone off than firing back with “no, fuck YOU” and sorting out the details once we found out whether or not there were enough of us who didn’t want to be fucked.
I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.
We literally cannot all win, we have mutually exclusive interests. When you appeal to racists, you lose anyone who is or cares for immigrants. When you appeal to the capitalist class, you throw out the workers.
After throwing out the entire base to go after “moderate republicans”, 5% of Democrat voters were registered republicans. That’s down from 6% in 2020.
Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got?
That remains to be seen. Currently we’re at the part where dems call black people, latinos, and the left racist, homophobic misogynists for not having higher turnout, and ignore white men and women who voted Trump. The outcome I envision will be the dems internalizing that and doing the same thing again in 2026 and 2028, preventing any electoral solution to the rise of fascism.
too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster
Leftists had no power to affect the outcome of the election. When they tell you that what the dems are doing is a losing strategy, they’re not saying they, personally, are going to cause the dems to lose, they’re observing that what the dems are doing will cause them to lose.
Uh huh, there I go again? This suddenly shifted from a reasonable conversation to bad faith rhetoric. This is collectively the fault of everyone who made piss poor, ineffectual efforts to stop it as a unified bloc. That encompasses a lot of folks. But as long as you have the specter of “they did it, not me” then I guess it’s easier to avoid speculation as to why we all can’t win.
I’m as guilty of that by saying that aligning with the larger contingent was the best way through, I suppose. But failing to even make a reasonable effort was beyond the pale. I didn’t want the outcome we got, but far too many leftists and progressives seemed comfortable with flirting with disaster.
Did you envision a worse outcome than the one we got? Because, for me, it was the most unfavorable situation. Working backward from that, it seemed self-evident that the clear path to avoiding it was to throw in with the only other viable option.
Anything else, any more complex assessment of the choice that was given to us, invited in division. The fascist platform was “fuck you” and everyone to the left of that was more concerned with the etymology of the phrase or the moral implications of flipping someone off than firing back with “no, fuck YOU” and sorting out the details once we found out whether or not there were enough of us who didn’t want to be fucked.
We literally cannot all win, we have mutually exclusive interests. When you appeal to racists, you lose anyone who is or cares for immigrants. When you appeal to the capitalist class, you throw out the workers.
After throwing out the entire base to go after “moderate republicans”, 5% of Democrat voters were registered republicans. That’s down from 6% in 2020.
That remains to be seen. Currently we’re at the part where dems call black people, latinos, and the left racist, homophobic misogynists for not having higher turnout, and ignore white men and women who voted Trump. The outcome I envision will be the dems internalizing that and doing the same thing again in 2026 and 2028, preventing any electoral solution to the rise of fascism.
Leftists had no power to affect the outcome of the election. When they tell you that what the dems are doing is a losing strategy, they’re not saying they, personally, are going to cause the dems to lose, they’re observing that what the dems are doing will cause them to lose.
Yeah, but they wanna!