• Manmoth@lemmy.ml
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    young men who are very insecure about themselves anyway

    Nice anti-masculine sentiment. No wonder they voted Trump. You guys don’t hide your disdain as well as you think you do.

    feel attacked by the left and choose the right.

    Lol I wonder why…

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      As a father of a daughter?

      Those men need to go fuck themselves and die.

      I am horrified my daughter might have to share a world with that complete trash.

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        Boooo. As a father of boys and girls it’s a HARD world for both right now. Completely different fights but let me tell you that my boys are suffering as much as my girls due to patriarchal expectations for their behaviours and the consequences of not complying.

        The patriarchy is the problem, not boys. Don’t let your fears push you to hatred of a whole group of people that are just trying their best to be good people. It’s hard for young boys to resist the messages of the patriarchy, that was half the message in the Barbie movie. We can hate the behaviours without hating boys. We can solve the problem by tackling boys and men’s issues caused by the patriarchy and dismantle it together. We can’t dismantle the patriarchy by alienating, scapegoating, and allowing ourselves to hate so much of the population.

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          It’s hard for young boys to resist the messages of the patriarchy

          Yes, it is, which is why we have to shout that those messages are wrong.

          Or better we go back to being quiet and let the old conditions continue, you know, just to make things easier on everyone?

          We have to alienate them, alienating is defined as disconnecting, they must be alienated from what you call ‘the patriarchy’, and I consider a dysfunctional pseudo-masculine culture.

          I was just a nerd growing up, and bullied pretty much constantly, it wasn’t easy for me either, life is hard sometimes, but if we solve this properly now nobody will have to deal with it again in the future, and it’s destroying the lives of boys and girls.

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            Dude if you’re on the left and you alienate boys and men you’re not alienating them from the patriarchy. You’re alienating them from the LEFT.

            The patriarchy does it’s own alienating by being shitty to them by forcing them into toxic ideals masculinity and cutting them off from their humanity. We have to provide a welcoming community. We PRIDE OURSELVES on providing a welcoming community for victims of the patriarchy. For some reason some people on the left think that just because the patriarchy is topped by a small group of men that the rest of the men can’t be victims or don’t otherwise deserve a welcoming space where they can work on dismantling the patriarchy with us.

            We’re destroying the pyramid from the bottom. We can only destroy the systems of oppression that affect US. If men don’t do their share we’ll never get to the people at the top. They’ll always be out of reach.

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      As a guy who used to be a young man and with a lot of young men as friends, retrospectively yeah, most issues were based in insecurities. You really want to be an adult and you feel like you should be one but you don’t know how to be one. You go out and want to meet girls and you are scared of the rejection.

      You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t. It is an understanding of humans.

      Just as a sidenote, based on my experience every young adult is struggling with insecurities.

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        Every young adult is struggling with insecurities.

        This is a totally different statement.

        You can act like that is “anti-masculine” sentiment but it isn’t

        Saying men are insecure when it’s the case across the board means it’s fair game to call you out. It sounds like fundamentally we don’t disagree though.