It’s his whole schtick. Apparently trying and failing to hold Trump accountable is more immoral than supporting him and shielding him from him the consequences of his crimes. 🤷
Amazing. You read a comment about how Trump is a genuine threat that needs real opposition rather than a Democratic party that looks to compromise with that threat and you immediately decide to kiss the asses of the party that repeatedly fails to protect us.
Edit: The Democratic Party has learned nothing from 2016, they learned the wrong lessons from 2020, and I worry they’ll learn nothing from this election. People critiquing the Democratic Party’s approach is not an endorsement of Trump. We want better opposition that actually fights for us. If all you want is to root for you team and ignore their flaws then we’re fucked.
You should be pushing the party to improve not shutting down any discussion of improving the parties platform or strategy. Trump got elected due to Democratic failures, not because people are discussing those failures.
Then don’t defend the flaws of the Democratic party and call a spade a spade. We know Trump sucks. I voted and encouraged others to vote. The job of any party is to motivate turnout. Turnout did not diminish because some random person on Lemmy said they weren’t going to vote or criticized somebody.
The Democratic party hurt their own turnout and appeal by defending the status quo and appealing to Republicans. That kills any sort of enthusiasm people have. They clearly did not win over any substantial number of Republicans and they suppressed their own turnout.
Many people voting do not have a deep interest in politics. I can complain about how they should care more, but they either don’t have the time or they can’t be bothered. Give them something to make it worth the effort. Trump motivates turnout because even though you and I know he’s shit he says he’s going to change things. For a lot of people voting works by assessing how I’m doing right now. Right now most people aren’t feeling great. So when one party says, “things are bad and I’m going to change them,” and the other party says, “actually things are great. Look how great the economy is recovering. Stop complaining about how your cost have living hasn’t recovered,” some people are going to ignore the bigotry and bullshit and others are going to give up.
I’m not asking for Socialist Santa Claus. I’m asking for the slightest bit of competency. I’m asking for assessing what the root causes of a loss are and how to fix it.
Im asking for the slightest bit of effort on their part.
But sure, keep making excuses for them and they’ll take it. Im sure they’ll wake up one day and realize it’s all their fault after everyone has continually excused them.
Shaming people for not voting has never been an effective strategy for significantly increasing turnout. I feel like it’s been tried and maybe people need some good policies in tandem with your shaming to motivate them.
I don’t like that they don’t vote. I think that they should vote. I want to think about how we can get them to vote.
Keep being dense though. I’m glad it makes you feel better.
I would have liked Trump to lose. When assessing what went wrong we need to look at the causes. You can say, “these lazy dumb idiots didn’t vote,” but that isn’t a fix. That’s only identifying a problem. We now need to figure out how to get lazy dumb idiots to vote.
My frustration is that its the job of a political party to motivate lazy dumb idiots and the democrats haven’t been doing a very good job.
You make excuses for them not voting and absolve them of ownership of the situation. They’ll never feel like theyre at fault if you do that. And they should.
And I fundamentally disagree- the party is supposed to convince you to vote for them, not to vote in general. It’s a civic duty.
So yes, so long as they never are made to feel they drove the car into the ditch, they won’t. So my suggestion is to start making them acutely aware that they are at fault and when bad shit happens let them know that they brought it upon themselves but they also have the power to change that in the future.
The democratic party is absolutely to blame for this damning historic loss. The last time the Republican won the popular vote was over 20 years ago and the fact the candidate that just pulled that off is the ultra divisive Donald Trump says more about the failure of the left than it does about the right. The majority of Americans don’t believe the Democrats can or will fight for them anymore and that’s a major issue.
Joe Biden wasn’t able to effectively articulate his policies and the gaslighting us about his obvious mental acuity did nothing to build trust.
I’m tired of hearing the Dems should pick a centrist candidate when it’s obvious they need to dump big money interests and fight for working people again. They need to run a left wing candidate that has the ability to clearly speak to and defend their well thought out policies. They need someone who we can trust to take action on office and not just give lip service our issues. Until then get ready to fail.
Amazing. You read an article about how shitty trump is and you immediately blame Democrats.
This is the new narrative. “I don’t share in the blame if people didn’t vote for Harris. All I did was constantly tell people not to vote for Harris.”
It’s his whole schtick. Apparently trying and failing to hold Trump accountable is more immoral than supporting him and shielding him from him the consequences of his crimes. 🤷
Amazing. You read a comment about how Trump is a genuine threat that needs real opposition rather than a Democratic party that looks to compromise with that threat and you immediately decide to kiss the asses of the party that repeatedly fails to protect us.
Edit: The Democratic Party has learned nothing from 2016, they learned the wrong lessons from 2020, and I worry they’ll learn nothing from this election. People critiquing the Democratic Party’s approach is not an endorsement of Trump. We want better opposition that actually fights for us. If all you want is to root for you team and ignore their flaws then we’re fucked.
You should be pushing the party to improve not shutting down any discussion of improving the parties platform or strategy. Trump got elected due to Democratic failures, not because people are discussing those failures.
Haha, if you think I have a “team”, youre fucking cooked.
I’m calling a spade a spade. You want to avoid this? Vote for who is CLOSEST to what you want. Instead of waiting for Santa Claus.
Then don’t defend the flaws of the Democratic party and call a spade a spade. We know Trump sucks. I voted and encouraged others to vote. The job of any party is to motivate turnout. Turnout did not diminish because some random person on Lemmy said they weren’t going to vote or criticized somebody.
The Democratic party hurt their own turnout and appeal by defending the status quo and appealing to Republicans. That kills any sort of enthusiasm people have. They clearly did not win over any substantial number of Republicans and they suppressed their own turnout.
Many people voting do not have a deep interest in politics. I can complain about how they should care more, but they either don’t have the time or they can’t be bothered. Give them something to make it worth the effort. Trump motivates turnout because even though you and I know he’s shit he says he’s going to change things. For a lot of people voting works by assessing how I’m doing right now. Right now most people aren’t feeling great. So when one party says, “things are bad and I’m going to change them,” and the other party says, “actually things are great. Look how great the economy is recovering. Stop complaining about how your cost have living hasn’t recovered,” some people are going to ignore the bigotry and bullshit and others are going to give up.
I’m not asking for Socialist Santa Claus. I’m asking for the slightest bit of competency. I’m asking for assessing what the root causes of a loss are and how to fix it.
Im asking for the slightest bit of effort on their part.
But sure, keep making excuses for them and they’ll take it. Im sure they’ll wake up one day and realize it’s all their fault after everyone has continually excused them.
Shaming people for not voting has never been an effective strategy for significantly increasing turnout. I feel like it’s been tried and maybe people need some good policies in tandem with your shaming to motivate them.
I don’t like that they don’t vote. I think that they should vote. I want to think about how we can get them to vote.
Keep being dense though. I’m glad it makes you feel better.
Keep giving excuses and being dense. See how that works out for you. Great job.
How am I making excuses?
I would have liked Trump to lose. When assessing what went wrong we need to look at the causes. You can say, “these lazy dumb idiots didn’t vote,” but that isn’t a fix. That’s only identifying a problem. We now need to figure out how to get lazy dumb idiots to vote.
My frustration is that its the job of a political party to motivate lazy dumb idiots and the democrats haven’t been doing a very good job.
You make excuses for them not voting and absolve them of ownership of the situation. They’ll never feel like theyre at fault if you do that. And they should.
And I fundamentally disagree- the party is supposed to convince you to vote for them, not to vote in general. It’s a civic duty.
So yes, so long as they never are made to feel they drove the car into the ditch, they won’t. So my suggestion is to start making them acutely aware that they are at fault and when bad shit happens let them know that they brought it upon themselves but they also have the power to change that in the future.
The democratic party is absolutely to blame for this damning historic loss. The last time the Republican won the popular vote was over 20 years ago and the fact the candidate that just pulled that off is the ultra divisive Donald Trump says more about the failure of the left than it does about the right. The majority of Americans don’t believe the Democrats can or will fight for them anymore and that’s a major issue. Joe Biden wasn’t able to effectively articulate his policies and the gaslighting us about his obvious mental acuity did nothing to build trust. I’m tired of hearing the Dems should pick a centrist candidate when it’s obvious they need to dump big money interests and fight for working people again. They need to run a left wing candidate that has the ability to clearly speak to and defend their well thought out policies. They need someone who we can trust to take action on office and not just give lip service our issues. Until then get ready to fail.