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US Muslim leaders who supported Republican Donald Trump to protest against the Biden administration’s support for Israel’s war on Gaza and attacks on Lebanon have been deeply disappointed by his cabinet picks, they tell Reuters.

“Trump won because of us and we’re not happy with his Secretary of State pick and others,” says Rabiul Chowdhury, a Philadelphia investor who chaired the Abandon Harris campaign in Pennsylvania and co-founded Muslims for Trump. Muslim support for Trump helped him win Michigan and may have factored into other swing state wins, strategists believe.

  • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
    38·
    6 days ago

    It’s almost like people were told a million times that Trump didn’t acknowledge Palestine existed and that Kamela wanted a ceasefire

    • JasonDJ@lemmy.zip
      13·
      6 days ago

      Stop. Just stop.

      It’s a post-truth world. Just…give up. We’re all yelling into the void. These people are being force-fed “facts” consisting of cherry picked data and sound bites from every angle imaginable. It’s their news. It’s their friends. It’s their family, and their neighbors. Their community leaders, and their social leaders, and their religious leaders. It’s in their face, constantly, everywhere they go.

      You can’t compete with that. That’s brainwashing on a societal level.

      You can’t both be right, and be victorious, in that environment. Simply because for the same amount of effort you put out expelling one falsehood, they can be exposed to a thousand more.

      I give up. I have no more faith in humanity. People are proudly digging their heads into the sand to avoid hard truths and then act shocked when “I told you so”. Fuck them, and fuck me for having to go down with them. Fucking children. Fucking ostrich children fucks. Pitiful. Repugnant. Deplorable.

      • ynthrepic@lemmy.world
        8·
        6 days ago

        You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.

        If facts are going to win, it seems they need to win stealthily, really like they always have. Science and engineering took over the world with probably less than 1% of people really having any idea how anything actually works. Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.

        I have no idea what that looks like, but thst is the mission progressives now must contend with. We have to win back people’s attention and convince them ours is the better way for them.

        • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
          3·
          6 days ago

          The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that.

          Why bother to fact check any one thing when it means hunting for the single edible chocolate in a pile of rabbit shit?

          You can’t even fucking Google an answer anymore, as the AI generated response is trained on all the bad data that’s bloated the system.

          Objective morality in terms of universal human rights and behavioral science can be integrated into a better regulated social media, for example. It just has to be more appealing somehow and easier to access. It also has to be sexy and come with some status, and other benefits.

          I would settle for it being a view that won’t get you expelled from a college campus, primaried out of an elected office, or purged from a high profile business position.

          • ynthrepic@lemmy.world
            2·
            5 days ago

            You make a good point, but the problem remains the same. We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.

            I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates. 🙃

            • UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.worldEnglish
              1·
              5 days ago

              We still need some of us to be willing to clean up the shit to preserve the truth.

              People like this exist and you can find them. You just won’t have them advertised to you. Real journalism exists, but its speaks floating in a sea of disinformation.

              I can only be so upset a people for failing to find it. There but for the grace of God go I.

              I’m not sure I understand how your last sentiment relates

              A great deal of informed opinion and intelligently dissenting views have been actively suppressed at the educational, political, and industry levels.

              Whether you’re Cori Bush or Norm Finkelstein, you’re fighting and uphill battle just to be recognized.

              • ynthrepic@lemmy.world
                2·
                5 days ago

                Gotcha. I hear ya. I guess what I’m saying is, in the same way capitalism has effectively produced an oligharchical coup-de-tat of society, in the same way progressivism needs to find a way to do the same, and do it better.

                The modern Internet and information landscape has broken participatory democracy to the point I don’t think the truth can beat lies and misinformation, such that it could ever be the basis for most people’s vote.

                Therefore, ironically I think we must leverage the same tools and techniques being used to spread lies and misinformation in service of the truth. That is play Donald Trump and the New Right’s game against them, and do it better.

                “Weird” was almost that, but it was accidental. It wasn’t evidence of change in communication strategy by the Dems, sadly. We should be doing more of this. Constantly embarrassing and insulting Trump and his cronies, and making them look lost, weal, and out of control. Things like that. Selective truths intended to get an emotional populist response, and sustain it for four years.

                Also, Swift 2028 (lol)

        • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
          1·
          6 days ago

          You’re blaming humanity for being the way that it simply is. The lesson is that people don’t have the time or attention to fact check, and frankly I think we should have known that. We got complacent. So, now those of us who get it have to step in and make better competing systems.

          At this point if I were God I’d be starting the rapture right now, because clearly humanity is too dumb to live and too deranged to get it over with quick and painlessly. Every American who voted Kamela would be at the top of the “Abandon Earth, we’re all going to Heaven!” queue for the USA region, because obviously that was the last couple million people living in the Modern Day Burning Rome who gave a shit.

    • IndustryStandard@lemmy.world
      6·
      6 days ago

      Oh lord +25 -2

      Blatant lies sure are popular here.

      Even your description of their promises are false.Trump was the one who invited Palestinians on stage when Harris shunned them.

      • Queen HawlSera@lemm.eeEnglish
        12·
        6 days ago

        Lol, no he didn’t, he literally said his policy was to give Nethanyu a blank check and in the first term he kept trying to use nukes and was told not to by his staff.

        Troll harder

        PS: Kamela never shunned Palestinians either, Bill Clinton on the other hand…