… with the Model Y in particular, not all vehicles come with manual releases for the rear doors, as Tesla warns in the car’s manual. It’s unclear if the Model Y involved in the crash was equipped with the emergency feature.
not all vehicles come with manual releases for the rear doors
That sounds… Well, fucking stupid.
But it saves money - and that’s certainly more important for Musk than a well-produced vehicle
Hey it’s really quite profound if you think about it though
In the 80s we had this little crank. Car didn’t need to be on. Crank wasn’t electric. Crank was kid-powered. Your dad just yelled at you. “HEY!!! ROLL THE WINDOW DOWN BACK THERE!!! YA LITTLE SHIT!!!”
And you knew it was serious, because cars back then didn’t have A.C unless you were rich. So it was 90 degrees and the inside of the car was 110. Because YOU said we should put the reflective cover in the winshield, so it wouldn’t get so hot in the car, but nooooooooo, dad said you’d only be a minute in the store. Then you come back out 45 minutes later. Which as you know, in kid time is several weeks. So now it’s hot in the car. And the seat vynal is burning your legs, because you wore shorts.
And so you ask if you can just open the car doors for a while before you get in, but noooooooo we got places to be.
And so now you’re getting yelled at, to crank both windows down because SOMEONE is being an asshole.
But at least you’re not burning in a vehicle with no way out!
Vinyl
I knew there was a Y in there somewhere. Just every way I tried spelling it looked wrong.
We would also have accepted “polychloroethene”
So the earth has always been hot…
EDIT: reminder to never again make a bad joke about climate change on liberal social media
I think it was more of a long way to say “manual windows and door handles have worked since cars were invented, why are we reinventing the wheel and introducing new fail points on something like a door handle by making it electric?”
We should be asking this with everything, honestly. We don’t need an electronic juice bag presser that “needs” to be connected to your wifi in order to work, or a fridge with a giant screen and camera on the inside so you can look at what’s in the fridge without gasp opening the door!
Juicero we hardly knew ye
The second scenario could be a little more muddy. You may be saving electricity by keeping the fridge closed and preventing the condenser from having to run as often. Mileage may vary by fridge snack checks and insulation, but it at least could be a potential power saver in theory.
I agree wholeheartedly, believe me.
I have a lot of socially unpopular opinions regarding how technology has and is progressing, and how dependent we’re becoming on all of it.
manual windows and door handles have worked since cars were invented
Technically untrue: the first cars didn’t have doors at all.
Tell me you have no idea what “climate change” means without telling me.
Sure, if you think of the car as the earth, the windshield as greenhouse gases, and our political leaders/you as the dad having no idea what the hell they’re talking about.
As a European i wonder how lack of mechanical opening could pass safety norms.
there is, it’w just not very obvious apparently. Gotta read the manual to know it.
https://youtube.com/shorts/ETBQdho90xU
https://youtube.com/shorts/XTfg7VQZ8_4
The last one is: remove the liner in the cargo compartment in the door, pop a flap on the bottom and pull the little tab on the cable that comes out. Even of your know, in a full panic it’s going to be hard.
Use the metal part of the seat belt to smash the window is going to be easier in panic mode.
That last video is clearly someone at Tesla being maliciously compliant with the safety rules to check off a box and pass inspection. Whoever designed that does not actually care about safety.
The windows are laminated I believe, so they won’t shatter. It’s unfortunately quite common in many modern vehicles now. It used to be just the front windshield.
They do their own safety checks.
Open the car doors, HAL.
“I’m sorry, Dave. You are not subscribed to Twitter Blue.”
“HAL! I need you to understand, Twitter is X now! Please, unlock the damn door!”
in 20 years nobody will be buying a tesla because theyll have killed off their repeat buyers
When Elon’s DOGE kills the economy, I don’t know who he thinks will be able to buy his shit. Maybe he can sell in Europe.
He won’t care, it’s all a game to him. He has already moved on from Tesla. I’d be surprised if a new model came out at this point.
Perhaps people who truly believe they are in a simulation shouldn’t be allowed to play the game.
Nope, here a lot of people are wising up too. And he is constantly fighting with unions. His company will be oblitherated by the Chinese EV companies.
And Cybertrucks won’t pass certification here.
Too bad the US has actively banned Chinese EVs from being imported to focus or their own behind the times shit models.
I don’t actively research EVs yet as I’m not in the market, but that’s what I’ve read whenever I get a little interest in them. I’m not keen on investing until there are more charging places in my area before getting serious on the switch.
That’s fair. I’m from a small country with a very high charge station density… so for anything local it’s a no brainer. Plus I have a driveway to change on.
That’s how a “free market” is actually supposed to work.
We DO NOT have a free market, nor do we have the regulations required to keep the economy on a sustainable growth track. Which is why we reliably implode. We took the worst of both economic systems and gave a few oligarchs that control conglomerate corporations free reign to enrich themselves through crisis capitalism.
No we don’t have a free market and we should not want one. A market completely devoid of regulations ignores reality.
I think they will end up just running charging stations eventually and not selling cars
All less than 10 caught in cars in like 12 years? I mean, the cars are made like shit and it’s SO COOL to shit talk a TESLA, like oh my god how cool!
But…
By the units we got a way to go here my man.
How many?
Also, the bigger issue is not being able to escape the fire because you can’t find the manual releases. Pretty horrible death. Probably done that way to save a little bit of extra money to line Musk’s pockets.
Probably every vehicle has some number of stupid deaths. I assume you don’t fly because Boeing fucked up. That’s way more than 83 people if just one plane crashes.
It’s just way cooler to shit on Tesla though. Very trendy. Very cool.
0.052% (232 / 443,956) fire rate.
Comparison to Industry Average: For context, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) reports an average fire rate of 1.5 crashes per million miles for all vehicles. Tesla’s fire rate of 0.052% (based on the reported 232 fires) is significantly lower than this industry average.
But it’s not very cool to do research that way shrug
You seem awfully upset that people are criticizing Tesla. Are you okay?
Naw I already said Tesla sucks all through the thread. I’m sad someone says “Tesla accident” and you all swarm to it to gloat like your kid finally graduated special Ed. No shit accidents happen, but wheres the same offense when any other brand has a fuck up? It’s nowhere because smarmy lemurs are only watching tesla news.
What’s Tesla’s fire rate per million miles?
And an ‘average fire rate of 1.5 crashes per million miles’ is unclear.
What’s the distinction between crashes and fires here? Is like to make sense of the stats.
Let me google that for you:
- Tesla vehicles have had a fire rate of one for every 175 million miles traveled, compared to the U.S. average of a vehicle fire for every 19 million miles traveled.
- According to the National Fire Protection Association, Tesla’s fire rate is significantly lower than the national average, with one fire per 170 million miles driven.
- A study by the University of Berkeley found that electric vehicle fires, including Tesla, occurred at a rate of 4 per billion miles, which is significantly lower than gasoline vehicles.
Anything else I can type in your search engine?
Before someone talks about the windows to justify the electronic door release, cars have had frameless doors for decades at this point, Tesla didn’t invent anything, it’s possible to have the window go down a bit with a mechanical handle and a switch that gets activated by it.
Or just use a gasket like subaru’s did/do. I had frameless doors in ~2000 with no electronics required.
Yeah they have water leak issues though (which auto lowering windows don’t as they’re sealed like in framed doors) but they’ve had that setup for ages.
Do they? I’ve been driving Subarus for over 25 years. Up until my newest one (a 2020 model) they all had the gasketed frameless windows, and I never had problems with water leakage. I suppose if the gaskets are old enough or exposed to UV enough they could wear out and need to be replaced. But that seems like a wear and tear issue and very minor in comparison to a potential deathtrap design.
It’s been in a known issue with Subarus forever, that and wind noise, there’s even DIY guides where it’s just people pushing the top of the window to bend the frame a bit to make it seal better!
people pushing the top of the window to bend the frame a bit to make it seal better!
This is what causes the issue to begin with. Close the door with the door, not the window. That has been a known issue for decades.
I don’t disagree, but it wouldn’t be an issue if Subaru just used the same solution as all other manufacturers…
I never experienced that with a Subaru I had ~15 years ago. Not even in a car wash. There may be a reason, but I dont see how this could be it. Maybe wind noise?
With the window not being sandwiched in a gasket with time the seal between the window and the gasket isn’t as waterproof.
I think the difference between then, and now, is that the average Subaru driver 15 years ago had a different skillset. I don’t remember this being discussed on forums then, but folks did replace seals. It’s normal maintenance on that type of window. It isn’t an “issue,” although we could argue it is a “feature” haha.
Like… What tesla has? There are mechanical door releases, it’s the big lever on the handle.
Yeah, it’s lacking on older models in the rear. But this car in question had those? I don’t understand how the front people didn’t get out. The rear ones, yeah, it’s quite fucked.
The ones they have are emergency releases and don’t activate the windows, in some models the emergency release is under the door pocket mat, under a cover that needs to be pried open, in others they’re behind the speaker grills.
What I’m saying is that they 100% could have mechanical handles that activate the windows as the regular mean to open the doors, it’s a deliberate choice not to have them and that choice can kill people.
Would a car window breaker / striker tool work on a tesla?
Ok just checked… looks like the only window that isn’t laminated is the driver side rear window which is a dumb design as far as safety design regardless of frame
Again?
The Tesla fires will continue until the stock price recovers /s
God damn! The total is now… 10?
Is this how Elon plans to start the culling. 🤔
I will never, ever understand how obscenely expensive, poorly made cars sold by a fascist got so damned popular.
Best EV before the fascist made it evident that’s what he is. Still best supercharging network available.
They have never not been poorly made.
Somewhat tangential fact we should not forget: Musk didn’t found Tesla. He bought his way in but acts like he founded it.
They were the only reasonable EV option for several years. They still have the best available charging network if any EV.
I’m not selling a car that is paid off bc the owner of the company stopped hiding that he’s obvious trash.
How about because it’s safety features lack basic things that can save lives?
I bet if your house slides in the water anyone inside may well die. You gonna move? If not, why? If it’s because it doesn’t seem probable, then revisit your comment to me. Half of one percent of probability is not “basic things that save lives”, that would be seat belts, air bags, windshield wipers, a horn, etc. etc.
You forget about conformity, if something doesn’t work how one would expect it to especially in an emergency then it’s poorly designed.
If you pull a door handle the expected result is that it releases the door to be opened… If for every door you had to push,pull, lift, turn, check for a secret lever you would think door’s are shit…
And that’s exactly what’s happening here…
It only follows the standard when it’s not damaged…
If my house slides into water we got a lot more issues happening and my doors will still work as expected…
I mean fine, yes, we want consistent behavior for as many car systems as possible. I agree.
My perspective is if you do something different, like use electronic systems, and 5 times out of 1000 in emergency situations it doesn’t work as intended, is that REALLY cause for redesign if there’s a benefit to doing something different?
I am sure there are other vehicles that, after a crash or a drop in the water, have doors that won’t open as expected or windows that don’t roll or break, or maybe thet sink too fast or who knows what other thing. I don’t think that fractional percentage points of situations warrant scrapping or redesigning basically anything that is not universally adopted.
I’m super griped that, as an early adopter of EVs, everybody wants to lay a turd on the cars I have had nothing but good experiences with because the CEO is a fuckwad and tech bros try to cheat the VERY prominent warning messages.
They are by no means the nicest made cars I have ever owned, but as far as the whole EV package goes, I don’t think you can go wrong buying one even still if you can afford it. I super hope someone gets a better option on the table soon, but the meme Tesla hate is probably driving people away from a generally solid car choice.
Mobile dumpsters with a new trash incinerator feature!
New fear unlocked?
I’m not afraid. In order to be locked in a burning tesla,I’d first have to be inside a tesla.
Out of curiosity, if you need to ride share on Uber or Lyft and the driver has a Tesla would you continually cancel until it was a different vehicle? Im not trying to be snarky.
I don’t rideshare, but yes, there is zero chance I willingly get into a tesla.
It’s basically a symbol of hate at this point. And thats on top of the wildly unsafe design.
Plus it just LOOKS stupid.
Error: Newfear.exe unable to be unlocked
You can’t unlock the new fear. You have to read the instructions for the new fear to know how to operate the new fear’s manual release.
Bzzt wrrt bzrrt LIBERALS DETECTED ENGAGING AUTOLOCK ENGAGING SELF DESTRUCT
Tesla car doors have manual releases in the front doors but not in the rear doors. Or rather, there are manual releases in the rear doors but they are hidden under a hatch under the rubber matting in the door bins so effectively nobody is going to find them in an emergency. So if your car is on fire and you’re injured or panicking & you’re unaware about the manual release then you’re going to die. Now to be fair, the front manual release in the Tesla model 3/Y is fairly discoverable (it’s a handle above the electric windows) but it’s not so obvious in older models. The Cybertruck has similar manual releases as the 3/Y but with toughened glass I wonder how long before we see someone drown or burn to death and bystanders were unable to rescue them.
Aren’t the emergency release in some models behind the speaker grills? And others not present unless you have a higher tier package? (Talking about rear doors)
I hadn’t checked all models but I knew that in the model Y there is a rubber mat in the door bin, that you remove, and under that is a hatch and under that is something you can pull. I had a look at the model X manual and it does seem to be under a panel by the speaker. So either way it is basically impossible for rear occupants (or front occupants who retreat to the back) to open those doors in an emergency.
The simple answer would be to put manual releases front, back and on the hatch. I assume that when a Tesla crashes it isolates the power, so it would also be necessary for things like door locks to automatically disengage, or be disengaged by the manual release otherwise that’s no good either.
I mean, why not have a pre drive safety checklist for every drive in the backseat of a Tesla.
Sadly it would seem their built form over function - handles in plain sight to open the doors in case of an emergency seem to be a no brainer; but I’m not any sort of safety engineer.
So can we officially put Teslas down as worse than the Pinto, cause im pretty sure theyve killed more folks than the Pinto and its magic gas tank.
