“Do you think about self harm?”
"Just the normal amount "
“The normal amount is zero.”
“Oh…”
At 70 i thought … “Hey! I may last till 80!”
At 71 i, i think “oh hell i may have to last till I’m 80”
My doctor told me the best way to heal my back was to take a few weeks off work. She didn’t understand why I was laughing my ass off, till I reminded her that most people don’t get paid time off. Doctors kinda live on the moon in terms of what the rest of us can get
most people don’t get paid time off
WTF really? I know workers get fucked really bad in the US, but do most people not get time off at all?
You seriously haven’t heard us complaining? Most people get something but a few weeks is unheard of. I think most people I know who even get pto have a little over a week/year between personal and sick days
The concept of sick days is fucking ridiculous
I wonder if the people downvoting you are misunderstanding your comment as saying “nobody should be allowed to call in sick for any reason, ever”.
The concept of sick days is ridiculous. Being sick isn’t predictable, so employers obviously shouldn’t be allowed to artificially limit the days you’re allowed to be. It’s a broken system that allows for such things in the first place. If you’re sick, you’re sick, and your employer has to accept that. If they don’t want to take that risk they should employ a robot.
Yeah, I heard that. Never hard that most don’t get any time off. You’ll notice I asked rather than calling bullshit, since I didn’t think it was impossible but thankfully it was just hyperbole based on what you say.
You really don’t get any. You have to be well established in your career to be allowed to use it. You can’t really say “I’m taking a day off next week” and expect your job to not look for a reason to punish/fire you.
I hope you realize that’s utterly insane.
Many of us are well aware but at this point so numb to the awful and insanity we just shrug and make a shitty joke
It’s not like we can do anything about it
And before you bring up unions, those only work when your coworkers haven’t been brainwashed that unions are evil and your company isn’t master level at squashing unions without ever getting caught…a union of one is just unemployed… And unemployment just makes all of it so much worse
Well, keep in mind that even if a job gives us PTO, any sick days we use come directly out of our PTO. So if you only get 10 days of PTO a year and you come down with the flu then bam, that is most of your PTO gone. It gets worse, even if we have the days and want to take a vacation, they don’t have to let us use it and often it is very difficult to use our PTO.
It took forever to get a corporate job but both corporate roles I’ve had provide decent PTO. Current job has 3 weeks PTO+ accrued sick time. The pay isnt good but at least I get time off.
Other people I know in more corporate roles have similar pto but without the accrued sick time. The only time I didn’t get PTO was when I was working minimum wage jobs.
From a European perspective, 3 weeks isn’t good. 24 days is the legal minimum where I live. 30 is standard.
I got lucky and found a job with 42, and sick days aren’t counted against those.
It’s honestly hard to take them sometimes. Not due to pushback from the employer, but because you have to find 42 days without fixed appointments.But if you don’t take your PTO, you are forced to by your team leader, otherwise the company can get in trouble.
Ahh, workers rights… Sounds dreamy
Some places combine sick time and vacation into “PTO”, others the accrual is so pitiful you’re lucky if you get a week’s worth of time off in a year.
My fiancé’s place of work is both of these things. She got really sick in August and burned through her PTO in a week, then had to go to work despite still being sick
I’m not even American, I’m Canadian. Things are a shit show here too. I didn’t get PTO, vacation pay or sick days until I joined a union. So this was before then. I remember my second job was working part time at a hospital for a while, which are run by the government, and I still had no PTO or any sort of protection or benefits.
Thankfully for BC, John Horgan’s NDP mandated that every British Columbian gets five paid days off, no matter if they are a gig worker or a kid doing their 1st job at the mall.
RIP Horgan ⚘ You did so much for the working class. The NDP removed MSP premiums, slashed insurance costs (I get annual rebates now), mandated sick days, took the tolls off of bridges, made contraceptives free, and made period products free in every school. (He passed away last week)
I hope your province gets it together.
As an american Paid time off almost sounds like a myth
It exists but it is usually pretty slim. Usually works out to be 2 weeks a year or something, which if you have a family and go to regular doctors appointments as advised, by the time your done… No more time for an actual vacation.
The average person is supposed to go to the dentist twice a year, the doctor once, a dermatologist once, the gynecologist once. If Anything is wrong, like a cavity… you need another trip. So we are up to at least 6 half days off there.
So let’s say another 3 for the kids. 2 dentists, and 1 physical whether it be for general health or for sports. (Vaccinations? All that jazz). Now any parent would know we are undershooting these numbers by a lot, as we haven’t talked at all about a kid getting sick yet.
Parents/Grandparents need a ride to the doctor once or twice, assuming you divy it out over multiple kids. Maybe one breaks a hip and needs physical therapy your fucked.
Note none of this has included a single day that is ever considered to be a vacation, just half days and rushing around and trying to get back to work.
If somehow you get through all of this, what many people do is take their last couple hours of free time to fly to where their in laws are to celebrate Christmas or some shit. Which is why there is so much animosity surrounding the holidays. It is the last time that someone may have to spend to relax, and they end up spending it with others who all don’t want to be making large extravagant meals, putting up and taking down decorations nor spending money they didn’t have in the first place, to waste time figuring out some gift they feel obligated to give to someone that yes they care about, but really is obstructing their last few moments where they could actually take a vacation and relax.
This is completely unsustainable on a societal level.
The minimum for New York is 40 hours of sick time a year that has to be earned. This had to be fought for.
Sick time allowance is the most ridiculous thing I ever heard as an European, if you are sick you are sick until you are not sick, it’s not the company that decides when you are cured.
Same here in Minnesota, although that only started in 2024
I was the IT guy for a company in Georgia (USA). Despite the fact I was the only IT guy and handled our SQL databases/Exchange/AD/firewalls/etc (all the way down to punching down new phonelines for headsets going back to the dialer), I recieved 0 days PTO (sick time or other). I was paid $15.50/hr and dealt with insane shit that made me question my morals, but when it’s do thing x or not feed your son, you’ll do some stuff.
Thankfully I don’t work there anymore, but yeah, if time off isn’t mandatory, a lot of companies don’t offer it.
Move to a developed country and find out that most people get paid leave.
Canadian. Most people here do not
I’m Canadian. I mostly do.
Unless I’m actually off on a medical leave, then maybe not. IDK.
All I’m trying to say is that my employer is actually not bad. Almost every other job I’ve had, has been some variation of bad.
Also, on medical leave, you qualify for EI where I am, so it’s kind of paid. Honestly not worth the hassle for a couple of weeks, but anything taking months or more, it’s better than a kick in the privates.
I knew that there wasn’t any nationally mandated PTO, but I assumed that most of you had some in your contracts individually or union…FFS America, what are you doing!!!
In NZ we get 4 weeks/year and 10 days sick leave. Most companies have allowance for a couple of mental health days also, some even pay those days.
There is also bereavement leave, of up to 3 days. Parental leave of 26 weeks, your employer has to keep your job open for you to return to after the 26 weeks.
Side note: we are full, don’t come here. Actually we get left off maps, and we like it like that.
In Europe I don’t think sick days even have a limit, at some point you need to actually prove you are sick and are not just saying it, but as long as you have a doctor sign off on it you can be sick as much as you like.
Often used when people have long-term illnesses or injuries that take a long time to recover from
Those sick days are totally separate from holiday pay. So I can be off for 2 weeks with an infection (with a doctor’s note) and then take a week holiday, and they can’t say boo.
Plus, you took vacation days but got sick during the vacation? Get a doctor’s note, and you get your vacation days back to use later.
Surprisingly, a lot of people don’t seem to be aware of this when you point it out to them.
Unless you get a serious illness during your PTO it doesn’t really make a big difference
Who on earth doesn’t want extra vacation days if possible?!
The problem is the restrictions on when you can be considered sick during your vacation.
a) you need to inform the company on the first day of sickness
b) if you are still sick after 5 days after informing your company, then you are entitled to get your remaining vacation back.
As the 5 days first start counting from when you inform your company ~ well you see where I am going? Unless you wanna be known as the one who tells their boss every time they get the sneeze… it is only gonna be relevant if you get a serious illness during your PTO…
Some companies here have unlimited sick leave, but it is not common.
Some double the national minimum of 10. Others have 15 days.
But most just allow for the minimum.
Oh you sweet sweet summer child. Here in the US we traded unions and labor protection for an extra $20 a week and rugged individualism.
Yeah but without the extra money
You’re getting an extra $20?
I have a corporate job with a very large company. Interact with CTO and other executives occasionally.
If I take off, I don’t get paid. And they can fire me whenever.
And the state they operate out of doesn’t have unemployment money left to pay when that happens so you better have money in the bank.
At least I have basic health care I can’t use that I pay $300 a month for.
most of you had some in your contracts individually or union
Lol, we don’t do contracts for most positions, either!
What kind of hellscape are guys running over there.
Yeah, I actually am not sure what folks are talking about. Even in the most soul crushing places I’ve worked, the bosses still (reluctantly) give PTO. I’ve worked all over the USA from retail to military to Mom n pop shop etc, PTO has never been “do I get PTO?” It’s “how much PTO do I get?”
Most companies have PTO of some kind, but there’s not a lot of real enforcement and whatever rules there are vary state-to-state, a situation I’m sure is about to get much, much worse with an administration coming promising to gut or destroy federal agencies.
Most established companies usually only offer a week or two of PTO a year, and this includes sick-time and sometimes holidays, so if you want to take Christmas and new years off, some companies force you to spend your PTO days on it. Many times if you don’t use your PTO it just expires at end of the year and doesn’t accumulate, they wouldn’t want anyone saving up and taking a few weeks off while being paid. Most Americans manage to swing a handful of 3-day or 4-day weekends a year, and that’s the extent of our down-time or escape from work.
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That’s American problem, I suppose. In the UK and even the 3rd world country like mine, we were paid at least 2 weeks off when working full-time.
Sadly I’m Canadian. And we’re as fucked as the u.s when it comes to worker rights. Thankfully I’m in a union now
I used to do IT for a hospital and the doctors were the most coddled mfers I’ve ever dealt with in my life. I would regularly get calls in the middle of the night or the weekend to fix one of their dictation software. Like… Just type, ffs.
While working at the hospital I met many a young doctor. Extremely smart when it comes to their field, but they seem to lack the most basic common sense about something as easy as rebooting a computer. They’re also messier than my 13 year old kid. Their private offices always look like messy dorm rooms
Hi, I’m a young doctor who was raised by competent parents. My office is tidy, and I know how to use basic computer programs. I just installed a new SSD yesterday on my home desktop and I can type 100 wpm. I realize that’s not very impressive, but just FYI we’re not “always” totally incompetent and immature.
As someone who currently works in Healthcare IT, the dictation thing is so true … It’s literally the end of the world to them if they can’t dictate, and have to use their fingers and - gasp, a keyboard! The horror!
It’s ridiculous. I’ve watched them use it and it’s definitely slower than I can type and I’m not even a great typist. Especially considering their EMR system has a tool to create macros for things they need to type out and they can just fill in the blanks. They don’t have time to type but they have time to throw a tantrum and not do anything while dictation isn’t working.
If you’re lacking paid leave, maybe have your union take it up on your behalf?
Unless…no…
A grim reminder that here in Europe things can get worse and worse, but people will always just complain and take it. There will never be an uprising or a revolution or anything. Humans really are pathetic, huh?
What are you actually talking about?
To heal your back, just take 2 weeks off to starve. Yes that will help.
Less weight for your back to support.
If you don’t have some anxiety, I’m pretty sure you’re dead inside.
I’m dead inside, when is the anxiety supposed to stop?
That’s your problem, you went dead inside because of the anxiety. You should have died inside first.
Jokes aside, I hope you are going to get better!
Anxiety is like anger, everyone experiences anger and statistics say the average person gets angry 6+ times a day, but for some people that’s killing them, and for others is manageable. Having anxiety, like when you’re playing a video game, isn’t the problem, it’s managing it, and reducing it, if you have a panic disorder, you’re getting high leaves of anxiety in situations you shouldn’t be having any anxiety.
Or filthy rich
I have to say, it is indiscriminate, and part of the issue with generalised anxiety is the perception that it relates to specific stresses rather than your body’s uncontrolled response to them.
Wealthy people have better access to treatment.
Naw they just have different anxieties. Pretty sure Elon is a walking anxiety.
’ “Uncontrollable” feelings of anxiety or depression’ isn’t normal.
Everyone has had anxiety and/or been depressed before. It’s when it doesn’t go away shortly after feeling it that it is a real problem.
He’s the one they call Dr. Gaslight He’s the one that makes ya feel uptight
Read that to the tune of doctor feelgood
As intended
Doc’s lying. We all do, some just don’t linger on them.
Yeah the important thing is a lot of people don’t have depression and/or anxiety regularly
Depression and feeling sad over sad things aren’t the same thing. A lot of people who experience depression may not realize that their feelings go beyond just feeling blue sometimes. Really sounds like the doctor is right to raise this as a potential issue.
I hope one day to not have a constant barrage of sad things going on so I can find out if I actually have depression or not.
I second this. I wasn’t exactly too optimistic before, but now I see no space for optimism at all :(
Yea, seems like things just keep getting worse everywhere you look.
Yup, clinical depression doesn’t have a rational cause.
This is the opposite side of the “wowthanksimcured” hashtag/subreddit/topic that was popular about 10 years ago. These feelings don’t always have an objectively rational cause. Which also means that if there’s some kind of medical cause or intervention necessary, screening for it is important.
The doctor likely has a private practice, so without the heinous pressure of working in a hospital and all the money that comes from being part of the medical industrial complex, its no wonder the doctor isn’t depressed.
Contrary what you may perceive on the internet, most people aren’t depressed, not just doctors with their private practices.
Well, they probably never bother to reflect on their own actions, nor the backdrop dumpster-fire we call society. That, with the rapidly approaching line-of-no-return heating of ocean water is enough to realize Humanity is a pox upon the Earth, and yet somehow we are supposed to reconcile these feelings and our very existence and desire for personal fulfillment in the face of overwhelming evidence that we are mostly powerless in the grand scheme of things.
So yeah, stupid people and narcissists are generally happier.
I won’t pretend that it’s easy, but people can be in a decent state of mind while acknowledging these issues. That’s how most people live. You don’t need to be stupid or evil to be happier. Being stupid and/or narcissistic bring their own problems too, so that’s not necessarily a recipe for happiness.
Noooo people can’t be happy! Unless they are stupid.
And dwelling on those things helps you… how?
Because most people have more immediate and direct issues to tackle in their life than being philosophical about society at large. We can’t all be Diogenes.
You need a certain level of comfort and safety to be able to start worrying about shit like that.
LIES! SLANDER! How dare this person reply with a nuanced take!
She wouldn’t admit it anyway
My first thought too. “She’s lying”.
The doctor was lying
Great clown Pagliacci is in town tonight. Go and see him. That should pick you up
“oh doc, liar liar pants on fire”
Anxiety is useful for survival.
Maybe in the wild but not at my corporate job
If something at the job is causing anxiety, perhaps you need to have it.
If something other than something at the job, is causing anxiety, it’d probably be useful if it happened at a better time.That’s the baseline function of anxiety but it can get out of hand.
Anxiety that motivates you to accomplish a task then disappears after is good and healthy. I like this anxiety [after the fact]!
Anxiety that causes you to break down and freeze at the thought of the task is unhealthy. This may contribute to burnout but is generally an anxiety disorder.
I’ve had both. The latter is very real and difficult to handle as it can be self inducing. That you have to fight through the freeze and gaslight yourself, and the thought of that is impossible to handle.
You’re correct. Anxiety about failing a test motivates students to study. Anxiety about losing your job motivates employs to work hard. It’s not the best motivation, but it is important. If people had no anxiety about failing, they wouldn’t work as hard to succeed.
While I find it hard to relate to your examples, the basis of what I meant is the same.
It is important that you know when you need to change the status quo. And in the current society, it is pretty easy to fall in a non-optimal comfort zone, where you are destroying yourself by the day. And even though you know it, you might not want to take the risk of destabilising your situation.
Here, anxiety will help you take the leap and as long as you don’t make worse mistakes, you might find yourself in a better place.
During the old hunter gatherer days where resources are scarce, yes. However, we’re now in a world of abundance, but our lizard brain hadn’t coped with modernity.
I guess it’s time to convert that lizard brain into a human brain then :P
I would imagine small spouts of depression would also help understand self worth and assist in overcoming obstacles.
spouts
not sure if usage I’ve never heard, or typo, or boneappletea for “bouts”
Think my brain just fabricated that use by mistake. Maybe a mix of spout as in a faucet, being a stream or leak, combined with what I assume my brain meant as a spurt as in short term. Short term leaky faucet of depression. < My brain is just falling apart
boneappletea
That’s a really nice example to use as a terminology.
Is there a name for this practice? Of taking an example of something and making it the name of the genre? I found one - “Eponymous Representation”, but it is not precise enough.
help understand self worth and assist in overcoming obstacles
So are we taking “deep thought” and naming it depression nowadays?
No wonder everyone is being diagnosed and drugged for the disease of thoughtfulness.I assume you meant thought, if so, no.
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Also, if it’s not deep though, then how is it helping us do the above stuff?
If I need to know which way east is, I can look at the sun, look at a compass, check Google maps, or ask a friend. Just because one tool can assist does not mean they are all the exact same tool.
So, you mean that depression, in itself, is helping you do that?
I find it hard to believe. Care to explain the mechanism for how that happens without the thought part?Oh trust me I don’t want people to be depressed. I just mean that depression is a low that leaves you feeling a variety of dark things that you wont forget anytime soon. So sometimes when you survive through a depression, on the opposite of that, if you have gotten out, it can enlighten some things that may not be obvious to yourself previously. Kind of like a “I’ve got this” sense of thought. I was able to crawl my way out of the pit of despair, and somehow you know, I’m okay. If I can do that, surely I can host this conference. Or whatever it is you need to convince yourself you need to do. It isn’t the best attitude I’m sure, but it’s like the whole “I’ve been through worse” thought process, which leaves you with the knowledge you can get through a simple task, which was what I called knowing self worth above. Maybe not the most apt description of self worth, but I’m no doctor.
She was correct. There are some billionaires that have different mental health issues, but not those.
I’m sorry but you seem to be mistaken.
Billionaires are a different species and we don’t have enough research data to refer to in order to determine what mental illnesses, if any, they might have.
Don’t lump them in with the rest of humanity because they aren’t even people anymore. They are inhuman scum that has mistakenly evolved. A fucking virus. We went out of our way to eradicate smallpox but unfortunately we haven’t successfully purged Billionarisim from humanity. I genuinely do not care how that is done. I don’t care. They need to be removed from society at all possible costs before they destroy it.
technically the threshold for “different species” is “can’t reproduce with other species through normal biological means” so I think while it’s hard to argue that with other billionaires, Elon Musk is an interesting case since AFAIK all those kids with his genes were conceived through artificial insemination. you may be on to something; maybe we’re watching a divergence in action.
Billionaires
Yes. Is there some reason you’re just saying the word billionaires?
“why male models” vibe
I believe the joke is that you come off as rabid in your original comment. I’m not trying to judge you, but it was the vibe I was getting.
Billionaires are meddling in elections, exploiting people, depriving them of rights, humiliating them and forcing people into servitude. But being angry at them means that I’m rabid?
They are the lowest of the low. They are the scum you scrape off of the sidewalk. The human grime that’s left inside of a toilet bowl that hasn’t been cleaned in long enough. There is no amount of vitriol, hatred, or venom one can spew at them that can make you rabid or a bad person. They are a get out of jail free card for spiteful and hateful feelings. You are not a bad person if you feel them against billionaires because they are not people. They deserve no protection and get none. When they have decided to fuck over everyone in a trillion mile vicinity for the sake of their own wallets and egos they have forgone absolutely any protections that they are given under simple human rights.
I am simply saying that the paradox of tolerance does not end when it comes to fascism and nazis. They do not deserve to be tolerated as they have broken the contract. So have billionaires. When you exploit everyone, you do not get to be protected from exploitation. When you drive violent rhetoric towards people with the billions you have, you no longer get protection from rhetoric. When you encourage violence, division, hatred and then actively carry it out in every way possible? You do not get to be protected from it being thrown against you. There are no moral or ethical billionaries. Partially because they are oil and water but also because they are not human. They are not to be tolerated. They are to be eradicated.
You call me rabid but I don’t call scientists working to eradicate a disease rabid for being furious at said disease for destroying humanity. I’m no more rabid. Billionaires are not people.
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Billionaires are parasites of society, not respecting the social contract and outright have zero empathy, only forcing their way for whatever they want at whatever the cost.
You probably would think likewise if you just imagined how much good can be done with just a fraction of a billion and then seeing thousands upon thousands of them, not helping but just trying to rake in more and more.
