The decision, which was first reported by NBC News, is a reversal for the president, who repeatedly said he would not use his authority to pardon his son or commute his sentence.

Summary

President Joe Biden pardoned his son Hunter Biden, reversing his prior stance against using executive clemency.

The pardon covers Hunter’s federal gun conviction and tax evasion guilty plea, sparking political controversy.

Biden cited political attacks and a “miscarriage of justice” as reasons for his decision, emphasizing his son’s recovery from addiction and the targeting of his family.

Critics argue the move undermines the judicial process, while supporters view it as within Biden’s constitutional powers.

This decision shields Hunter from potential prison time as Biden nears the end of his presidency.

  • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
    29·
    26 days ago

    To be fair, the biggest charge is the gun charge, and that’s from lying on the 4473.

    Honestly, that question shouldn’t even be on the form, and I know loads of people who lie on that form, same question, all the time.

    Weed is legal, but if you admit it, you can’t buy a firearm to defend yourself from fash.

    But, you can be a drunk, mow down kids in your SUV, and that’s dandy.

    • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
      8·
      26 days ago

      That may all be perfectly true, but my point was more about how this case was treated by the democrats and their supporters. After the verdict, few people raised the points you just did. Instead, the narrative was all about how unlike republicans, democrats respected the law and would fully support the verdict. Biden himself even publicly ruled out a pardon.

      Now that the pardon actually happened, that is all immediately forgotten. The narrative changed and democrats expect their supporters to get in line. Trumpists have been doing that kind of thing every other day, but the democrats are starting to do it as well. That’s what worries me.

      • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
        15·
        26 days ago

        It worries you?

        This is the line that worries you?

        Not the line drawn where the SCOTUS said the POTUS is above the law?

        Not the line drawn where a literal card carrying neonazi was appointed to the cabinet?

        Not the line drawn by Reich Wingers attempting a violent coup?

        Not the line drawn by literal Nazis marching in the streets in the US just this year?

        THIS is your moral line?

        • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
          7·
          26 days ago

          I can be worried about more than one thing at a time mate. And where did I ever say anything about a moral line? I obviously don’t approve of the fascist things the fascist party does and yes, they deeply worry me, despite not even living in the US. That doesn’t mean that the democrats are somehow absolved of all criticism and can’t do anything wrong.

          • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
            5·
            26 days ago

            So, overall, in the list of things that “worry you” this is so low, it barely registers, right?

            • btaf45@lemmy.world
              2·
              25 days ago

              https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich

              Does Donald Trainwreck’s pardon of this corrupt Democratic governor worry you? Did it register at all with you? No? The fact that people didn’t care about this makes me yawn about anybody saying they care about Hunter Biden’s way less serious thing get a pardon.

            • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
              2·
              26 days ago

              Obviously the bigger immediate problems will be what Trump gets up to in the next few years. But if there’s supposed to be a way out of this mess at some point, I think it’s also important for the democrats to be a strong opposition. They should provide an antithesis to Trumpist politics by showing honesty, integrity and consistency. Their justification for doing things should never be “but Trump did way worse”. Saying one thing and doing another might work out perfectly for Trump, but that doesn’t mean it will for the democrats. That may be unfair, but it is how it is. So the real worry is that I don’t think acting this way will win them another election, should there even be one.

              • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
                3·
                26 days ago

                There is only one way out of fascism, and it’s not by playing nice. Non-violent methods only work if the opposition has a conscience.

                • PonyOfWar@pawb.social
                  2·
                  26 days ago

                  Didn’t say they should play nice. But a bit of nepotism definitely won’t contribute to getting out of fascism. Nor will justifying things based on whether the fascists are doing worse or trying to copy their oppenent’s tactics. All that will do is making people lose faith in their movement.

                  • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
                    2·
                    26 days ago

                    People have already lost faith in the Dems… Why do you think so many people stayed home?

        • btaf45@lemmy.world
          3·
          25 days ago

          Outrage is what we should have all seen when Donald Trainwreck pardoned this corrupt Democratic governor for the sole reason of normalizing corruption. There is no Democrat who wanted him to do this.

          https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rod_Blagojevich

          Anybody who didn’t complain about that way more serious thing doesn’t have any reason to complain about this much less serious thing.

      • djsoren19@yiffit.net
        3·
        26 days ago

        Starting? If there’s one thing people should learn from the 2024 election, it’s that Blue MAGA exists and they’re just as stupid and easily manipulated as the people on the right.

    • Grandwolf319@sh.itjust.works
      5·
      26 days ago

      So how about Biden just fixes that form and claim that it shouldn’t have been illegal to do that to begin with?

      He literally is saying it was BS and I’ll undo it for just my son, the rest of Americans in the same situation I don’t care about.

      • ubergeek@lemmy.todayEnglish
        13·
        26 days ago

        Because it literally requires congress to do it.

        And the rest of Americans rarely get charged for it… Its only used as an “add on” when there’s other charges already.

      • Corkyskog@sh.itjust.works
        10·
        26 days ago

        Because Republicans have no appetite to change the form. They like it this way, most people who break the law will never be prosecuted, but when they want to prosecute someone it’s easy

    • RaoulDook@lemmy.worldEnglish
      4·
      26 days ago

      Habitual Drunkard is also on that form as a disqualifier, so you would have to lie about that as well if you were a drunk.

        • candybrie@lemmy.world
          2·
          26 days ago

          Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana or any depressant, stimulant, narcotic drug, or any other controlled substance? Warning: The use or possession of marijuana remains unlawful under Federal law regardless of whether it has been legalized or decriminalized for medicinal or recreational purposes in the state where you reside.

          I could read that to include being an alcoholic. But I can also read it as being addicted to caffeine.

          • TopRamenBinLaden@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
            3·
            25 days ago

            Yes, alcohol is technically a depressant, but I guarantee that the majority of people who sign that form don’t know that.

            It also says, “or any other controlled substance”, implying that the list is made up of controlled substances, which alcohol is not.

            I think a good lawyer could argue that alcohol doesn’t count here, but no lawyer could ever argue that marijuana doesn’t count, as it is specifically listed.

            • candybrie@lemmy.world
              1·
              25 days ago

              It depends on if you assume controlled substance applied to every item on the list or if being addicted to any simulant would count. How I read it, if alcohol counts, so does caffeine.