No one knows, it’s unlikely we ever will. There’s stuff and that’s why you can even ask this question. If there wasn’t anything, you wouldn’t be able to ask anything. It happened, so now we have to deal with it.
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Your last sentence should become some kind of philosophy.
Look up Phenomenology.
There being stuff is privledge.
Ex physicist here: Fucking no clue, but here’s two neat ideas
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Because there has always been things. Basically it’s entirely possible the universe just kind loops around given enough time, there are a few really interesting ways to do this but the classic one is where the big bang reverses and there’s a bug crunch before a new big bang. That’s not very likely based on our observations, but there are other more mathematically complex ways to have a cyclical universe, and they don’t necessarily require having a defined beginning.
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Because nothingness is unstable. Basically, if there’s a concept of nothingness, no energy, particles time or space, but it’s possible for little universes to occasionally exist and disappear really quickly, then it’s possible that our universe suddenly popped into existence, got really fucking big before it could disappear again and then got stuck existing. This is based on the highly advanced area of physics called making a wild fucking guess.
I’d say most likely that we’ll have to be satisfied with that not being a question that can be answered. Much in the same way that we can’t answer the question of why the laws of physics look the way they do, we can just describe what they currently are.
There’s a third option: Black holes create new universes through some as yet undiscovered process. Then your existence just becomes a statistical eventuality, as do every other life that you could ever live.
There’s a fourth option: every reference to the mystical properties of black holes on lemmy creates new universes through some as yet undiscovered process. Then your existence just becomes a statistical eventuality, as do every other life that you could ever live.
It’s a simulation!!!
It’s a mega mind!
None of that actually answers the question because it’s a philosophical one and not scientific. This really irritates the scientific mind.
Yeah that’s what I was getting at, all we can do is guess. It’s pretty easy to realise it’s impossible to answer scientifically, anything that could have any impact on our universe must necessarily be part of it and so cannot tell us anything about what came before.
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Has anyone really been far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?
You got us!
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No one knows. I really want to know, but the current understanding takes us back only to the big bang. Not why it happened or why anything exists at all.
The Anthropic Principle is at work here. If nothing existed we wouldn’t be here to ask why it exists.
Here’s some reaching: There’s the
theoryhypothesis that our universe is the inside of some construct in a higher universe* that is similar to if not actually a black hole.In our universe, time and space inside a black hole are causally disconnected from the outside so there can be a defined beginning without there needing to be time continuity across the event horizon. It’s often said that time and space switch places inside a black hole, which could mean that our time is relative to space outside of the universe. This hurts my head to think about. Almost like our time dimension runs sideways relative to whatever was “before”.
* As to whether this is turtles all the way down / universes all the way up, we’ll probably never know.
That’s not a theory; not in the scientific sense. That’s just someone being creative, we have no way to prove or disprove it, ergo it’s as useful as explaining everything by God.
You’re right. I should have used the word hypothesis.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nondualism
One interesting take
Because when there’s nothing there is literally no meaning. Prior to the Big Bang there was no Entropy, no Time, no Matter or Energy. You cannot really discuss what happened then because it would be nonsense. You can’t even ask ‘how long before the BB did the nothing exist?’ because there was no time, so the answer is like dividing by zero. The BB brought all that into existence so by necessity anything must exist for your question to even have meaning.
To answer your question more directly: because nature abhors a vacuum (even though there was no vacuum before the BB because that would have been a ‘something’).
Prior to the Big Bang there was no Entropy, no Time, no Matter or Energy
Is there a consensus on this or you are just simplifying for the sake of simplifying?
As much consensus as there can be. The BB is defined as being the event that brought everything into existence and so there’s no point in debating something that cannot be tested.
That’s what you did. We can’t know is very different from “there was no this and this and this prior”.
No, you’re confusing testability with reasonable interpretation via interpolation of data. I did simplify to answer the OP’s question. Prior to the Big Bang we can’t know what ‘exactly’ was going on, but at that point, by definition, Time and Entropy begins. It’s like arguing absolute zero doesn’t have consensus because it is physically impossible to attain that temperature, or that there are actually distances smaller than the Planck length.
The salient point is that Something HAS to exist because the opposite is literal meaninglessness and that has scientific consensus.
It’s like arguing absolute zero doesn’t have consensus as if I was part of the specialists that push forward our collective knowledge on the matter while at best knowing 0 is a small number.
The salient point is that Something HAS to exist because the opposite is literal meaninglessness and that has scientific consensus.
That’s literally opposite to the scientific consensus. People are in fact looking for models that justify why there is something rather than nothing, and it’s not because “the opposite is literal meaninglessness”.
Please, please, please think of all the people that infer knowledge from an autoritatve language heard online.
By consensus, I’m referring to the fact that scientists, when asked, say “the universe started ~14bya”. Any attempt to discuss earlier than that is wild conjecture so the only responsible way to deal with it is to accept that it is currently unknowable. Fact is we already see ‘something from nothing’ constantly. This phenomenon is readily proven. For example, spontaneous generation of quantum particle pairs are well established so the aforementioned conjecture is an attempt to be rigorous, but not an invalidation of consensus.
What is more dangerous for ‘people that infer knowledge from authoritative language’ is to believe that ‘consensus = matter settled, the end’. Nothing in science is absolute except, perhaps, the mathematical fundamentals. Are there still concepts or proposals that will get you laughed at by respectable scientists? Of course. That is what is meant by ‘consensus’ when it comes to Science.
Any attempt to discuss earlier than that is wild conjecture so the only responsible way to deal with it is to accept that it is currently unknowable.
Holy fuckity fuck.
Stop using those words. Stop saying “ANY ATTEMPT” or “THE ONLY RESPONSIBLE”. Stop laying out matter of factly that when you ask scientists they answer in a certain way.
Are you a scientist? Did you ask a theoretical astrophysicist? Are you quoting a paper on the subject?
This is your respectable clearly limited opinion. Portay it as such.
I never said consensus settles a matter, I’m just saying that pulling stuff out your ass and pretending they come from a position of consensus is harmful.
Also you clearly read “The Theory of Everything” or something to that extent by Hawkings and he quite literally mention that he’s going to study what happens before the Big Bang…
Tell that to the philosophers.
I don’t even think there is a consensus on the Big Bang but if there was, then that’s when time began so “before” that is meaningless.
The universe feels like a pretty whimsical place, so why not? Might as well try it out. If it sucks, you can always let everything crash into a singularity and start over.
Beat me to it. Why not was my answer to this question too.
Because.
The worst part is we’re here now and most of us are intrinsically forced to deal with whether we want to or not.
Blame mesons , they fucked up the matter/antimatter balance in the early universe from being 50/50 to 51/49
As a result, we live
Sufficient to say, this has made a lot of people angry over time
Aren’t quarks made up of the nothingness, the vacuum of space, somehow vibrating? I feel like that’s what smart people have been trying to tell me.
If that’s correct, then the nothing is the source of the something.
Because, to maintain “nothingness” the omniverse must balance matter and anti-matter.
Well, that became unbalanced because of random fluctuations.
So theres a pocket of matter and anti-matter didn’t annihilate for some reason, I call it “plot armor” reasons, and that separated from each other forming 2 regions of space.
So the region of positive-matter, through randomness eventually formed our universe.
The region of anti-matter probably formed its own anti-verse
Ok I’m bullshitting, I’m not a scientist and I made up the whole thing mmkay? That’s my amateur explaination of the universe. Fight me.
But like, philosophically make sense.
How do you get something from 0?
0= [+1] + [-1]
See? That’s my mathematical proof.
Its my version of E=MC², but with the creation of the universe and anti-verse.
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There isn’t any anti-verse, normal matter won for reasons still unknown, because the big bang should have created an equal amount of matter and antimatter. So plot armour is a good enough explanation for now.
But since there was less antimatter, it was all annihilated.
That still doesn’t answer OP’s question, though, you can go further - why did big bang create more matter? Why did big bang happen? And if you one day manage to answer that, you’ll have to ask why the thing that caused big bang happened?
The question simply doesn’t have an answer.
why did big bang create more matter?
(Again, I’m not doing a scientific explanation, this is a philosophical explanation)
There is the same amount of matter and antimatter, but some mysterious energy propelled them to separate with a distsnce in between them. This is how the universe and the anti-verse are stable. But eventually, these two different “universes” will collide and annihilate each other again.
I think you’re mistaking philosophy for something else. Ignoring facts is not philosophy.
Isn’t antimatter still “something?” It’s not nothing.
