• Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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    I told them that what they called Western hegemony is different from the rules based order. They said the rules based order is Western hegemony. And I said I agreed. That is what I am saying. Real Western hegemony is a rules based order. And they said yes, that is what we are trying to get rid of. And I said no, but we don’t even have that right now. We need more Western hegemony. And everyone at the same time was like “nooo” we are socialists, we are against Western hegemony. Socialists oppose Western hegemony. And I said but not social democrats. Social democrats are the socialists who support NATO.

    And I saw someone accuse my post of strawmanning.

  • star_wraith [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Libs know exactly ONE thing about history - that Chamberlain tried to appease Hitler by letting him take the Sudetenland, and it didn’t stop him - and think it’s some universal truth that applies in every situation.

    • Zuzak [fae/faer, she/her]@hexbear.net
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      That exact analogy has been used by high ranking US officials to justify nearly every conflict since the WWII, including Korea, Vietnam, and the War on Terror.

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        It’s also not true at all, i.e not a fact. Chamberlain wanted to collaborate with Hitler, not appease him.

        Of course this is only surprising to Liberals who can’t imagine why the leader of the British Empire would be a fascist 🤔💭◻️

  • betelgeuse [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    If Ukraine isn’t open to Western investors then maybe Taiwan won’t be either. Then South Korea. Then Poland. How will my boss’s boss make a steady 15% on his capital if that happens?

    This is an investment in democracy.

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    how has media so successfully gaslit people into believing that the ukraine was ever even successful at being a liberal democracy? i guess all that rampant corruption that was covered by liberal outlets suddenly stopped being a thing when the SMO started thonk

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      That’s not really a criticism of democracy but a criticism of the absolute stupidity of Nazism and white supremacism. Sure, if Nazis become the majority, then they would rule a democratic society. But they can only come out of mommy’s basement so often…

      • It’s a criticism of liberal democracy, and a fair one at that, because those will always be ultimately ruled by the wealthy elite. Hence the term dictatorship of the bourgeoisie. It’s why abortion is once again illegal in much of the US, it’s why the US doesn’t have universal healthcare despite it being very much wanted by a large majority of the population. It’s why France is still upping the age of retirement despite essentially no one wanting that and has become a de facto police state to suppress that population from protesting it. Nazis absolutely do not have to be a majority for a liberal democracy to quickly become a fascist state.

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    Democracy is when you expand NATO to encircle former soviet nations, and basically tell them outright “if you don’t join us, willingly, and allow your economies to get privatized, deregulated, and hollowed out by foreign direct investment and IMF loan debt, you’re gonna get balkanized” and then proceed to use one of the most traumatized and nations in Europe (Ukraine) as a staging ground for the CIA to send millions of dollars to reactionary militias so they can start a civil war by burning a bunch of separatists in a union hall to death, and then proceed to pit former soviet nations against each other in a completely avoidable and unnecessary war… and the more you do all that, the more democratic it is.

    something something international rules based world order