A fringe website featured the purported names and addresses of the Fulton County grand jury that indicted Trump and 18 others for their efforts to overturn the 2020 election.
I looked at the indictment last night and noticed it included the names of the grand jurors. I dropped my head into my hands, knowing this was inevitable. I don’t understand why the names weren’t reacted.
Georgia law is that grand jurors names are public.
Yeah, pretty naive. Or evil. Maybe both?
It prevents loading the jury to get a specific outcome. That said, it should come with protection or a delay or something.
Not saying it is, but showing me, a regular citizen, these names convinces me the jury wasn’t loaded? Does the defendant have no role in Grand jury selection?
No, the defendant doesn’t. This isn’t a trial jury, it’s the Fulton County Grand Jury. The GJ sits for an extended period (maybe a month, someone step in and correct me if I’m wrong) and listens to cases brought by the prosecutor. The GJ job is to decide if the prosecutor has enough of a case to indict. It seems in this case, she did.
Just to clarify, the sitting grand jury does not then sit on the jury for the trial.
That’s generally right. In Fulton County they sit for two months. There were two different grand jurys here, though.
There was a Special Grand Jury who met for 8 months and investigated the specific crimes related to the Trump case. They issued a report in January detailing all of the evidence that they heard.
In GA, though, a Special Grand Jury can’t issue an indictment. The report was passed to a normal grand jury who heard all of the evidence, then issued the indictment. That grand jury was first seated on July 11th.
I didn’t know that. I wish they had a process for applying to redact, for cases like this :(
Do you in GA whether grand jurors are professionals or pulled in for random jury duty?
Pretty sure grand Jurors are professionals in most if not all common law states.A couple of the peoples titles on the list pointed me towards that they are.
Edit: I’m pretty certain I’m wrong. There’s something else I must be confusing it with
There’s all kinds of laws like this that are super old, and really harmful in modern life. Like name changes having to be published in the paper, and home ownership being public information. Sorry trans people, if you want to legally change your name, you have to be out to everyone! And don’t even think about buying a house if there’s someone you don’t want knowing where you live, like an abusive family member or ex!
They’re left over from times when information was harder to come by, and they absolutely need to be changed, but our governments are bad at legislating for modern problems
And don’t even think about buying a house
Well that is a problem that is fading away.
Maybe for you.
deleted by creator
In that case our government has failed to do this. Who owns your mortgage? It was repackaged into a mortgage backed security with thousands of owners. Who owns that commercial property that has been sitting idle for thirty years? Owned by nested shell companies.
Another reason why mortgaged backed securities should be criminalized.
deleted by creator
Very well. Please pick a property not paid off on your block and tell me every single owner, including people who own a millionth of a percent of it via 401ks. I want names, precents, legal terms that they are operating under, and purchase date(s). I will except CSV format only.
deleted by creator
A mortgage backed security is a structured debt derivative contract which is backed by the cash flow of the loan, via the issuing bank. It doesn’t actually grant any ownership rights to the underlying asset itself.
Fancy words for it is a share of ownership with an abstraction layer for bailouts.
deleted by creator
🤔 Is it possible for an abuse victim to buy a house through an LLC to avoid that problem? How does that work for real estate businesses?
It is actually! I have a friend who’s dad is extremely libertarian (despite having been a marine?), And he bought his house under an LLC for pricacy’s sake. I’m sure it would work for less crazy reasons as well
There needs to be a nonprofit that helps victims set up such things so they can hide from their abusers.
Interesting. I wonder if you could buy a home zoned for single family, sell it to a LLC that you run, then rent it out to two families (if one is your own) since it is now commercial rental.
From what I’ve read, living in a house you buy yourself makes it lose most of the protection of an LLC, because you have “pierced the corporate veil”. All it really ends up doing is protecting your identity
Unfortunately, while you’re citing lots of very valid cases of innocent people being victimized, I also think that the trail of information that follows people is very important for systems of justice.
Imagine criminals getting away with white collar crime, having changed their name to make it more difficult for people to publicly scrutinize them.
I can’t quite imagine what protections might make sense to keep trans people safe, and it’s hard for me to think about which group should be prioritized. Of course, ideally, we’d live in a world where anyone retaliating to someone’s gender transition would be headed for a hard time themselves.
No way. How stupid can you be lol
As I understand this is the law of the state, it would’ve been illegal to not make the names public. The reasoning is based on transparency – secret jurors would make for less trust.
Well, I hope the state is prepared to spend a shitton of money on protecting these people. Trump supporters aren’t the most stable of people.
See: FISA
Basically the “kernel of truth” that gave us deep state idiocy.
“It’s becoming all too commonplace to see everyday citizens performing necessary functions for our democracy being targeted with violent threats by Trump-supporting extremists," Jones said. "The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.”
And there’s also this:
Yesterday — after Trump posted on his social media website that authorities were going “after those that fought to find the RIGGERS!” — Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.
deleted by creator
“we are all domestic terrorists”
Uh, I think those that are inclined have already acknowledged this. The others are very likely a lost cause, if this recent spate of reporting hasn’t convinced them that Trump is a freaking manipulator and crook. Where do we go from here? I don’t know how so many extremists could possibly just, you know, stop being so extreme. Naively, a civil war could fix the issue, but that is the last thing we need–war is never the answer.
It is crazy that this isn’t a United States problem, either. All one has to do is look to Australia, Canada, and the UK to see that fascism is rampant. I’m looking for those brightest minds, because I’m certainly not one of them.
The next step is breaking away from them completely and building an alternate economy they’re not allowed to participate in. Left only banks and stores and whatnot.
If you all don’t, the right will simply take over the institutions you think will serve everyone fairly and boot you out of it, just like they did the judiciary.
Advance Democracy noted that Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.
Classy as ever
The instant I saw the word “RIGGERS” in his bitch ass post yesterday, I knew exactly what it actually meant. Just more
dog whistlingfog horn blasting racism from The Cheeto Mussolini. 😡
Trump supporters were “using the term ‘rigger’ in lieu of a racial slur” in posts online.
How to get your ass kicked by A/V professionals, 3D animators, and pirates… all in one fell swoop!
Don’t forget shipbuilders, pipefitters, and crane operators.
Many navy vets too.
"The lack of political leadership on the right to denounce these threats — which serve to inspire real-world political violence— is shameful.”
Charge every Republican politician who fails to publicly denounce them as an accessory to whatever crimes get committed against these grand jurors.
Faster. Go to trial faster.
Good old MAGA maggots. They are such a fine bunch of people.
*magats
I’m partial to “Cult 45” …or just “domestic terrorists” if we’re not trying to be cheeky about it.
Ya’ll Qaeda
KKKrispy Kreme
Traitors is my pick, but magats is nice and catchy
Just like maggots thrive in roadkill, America’s corpse is being devoured by magats.
They’re the same picture
Sadly, predictable.
Equally sad and Equally predictable, this (and the ensuing harrassment) will have the approval of the Republican party.
deleted by creator
Can you imagine what kind of world or country we could have if all these MAGA-turds focused their energy on constructive things rather than DEstructive? It’s so sad.
deleted by creator
Seems like most politicians want us fighting right vs left, rather than bottom vs top. And a scary number of people just eat that shit up
Unfortunately any extremist views and actions seem only to cause harm. If that energy was focused towards more helpful notions we would be in paradise by now.
When someone quite obviously rejects both the electoral system and the legal system unless they work to his advantage, one must surely get the impression that this person simply has no interest in democracy at all.
I’m starting to get the feeling that this guy might not be the best choice for president.
Well, who would have thought that this hypothetical guy, let’s call him Tronald Drump, would turn out to be such a menace? Totally unexpected…
Uh, I feel like you’re not considering the fact that he has an ® next to his name? Source: Red states that are near the bottom in every metric for quality-of-life.
Extremist fascists gonna fascist.
Give every single doxxed GJ member secret service protection, and make Trump pay for it.
Even easier: just reassign the guys from his detail to protect those people, until there’s nobody left to cover his entourage.
Give the people Trump trusts with his life to the people he likely wants to be silenced? Good idea.
Better yet, redeploy the ones on Trump and put new ones on the threatened!
You know, shuffle the cards around, same impact.
Interesting.
If those were BLM activists, they’d have a SWAT team breaking down their door within minutes of posting this.
Completely normal behavior for peaceful supporters of a law-abiding citizen. Who wouldn’t do some friendly doxxing to support their absolutely innocent leader.
This could be either a great time to be an FBI agent - or the worst time.
Imagine becoming a fed because you want to uphold the law and chase down bad guys, figuring you’re going to be tracking down drug dealers and human traffickers and mafia goons, and instead you get tasked with running down Karen and Cletus who decided to firebomb a house based on something they read on RealTruthPatriotNewsDaily-dot-net.
Imagine the briefings with everyone just sitting there with their heads buried in their hands
Just heavy sighing, the sound of liquor being poured into a glass at 9am and every so often, a truly exasperated “fuuuuuuuuuck!”
The FBI agents I feel for are the ones that have to go on sites like 4chan or whatever other social media sites the rightwing thinks is safe.
F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime
F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime
F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime
F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime
F4 Not a crime, not a crime, not a crime, not a crime
F4 Wait! Ok never mind. Not a crime…
Then once a week they finally get Jethro or Jayden the basement dweller.
A guy I work with has a masters in engineering degree, graduated with honors, went to a school that is world known for engineer was telling me how he spent two days sorting out the parts numbering scheme in the database. He has to do it twice because upper management changed their mind after he finished the first time.
Your dreams and mileage may vary.
I mean, if your masters in the database engineering… Kinda goes with the territory…
Mechanical. Also WTF how is that a degree? Who in their goddamn mind would study this!?
Everyone involved in this case should have 24/7 protection. This is probably gonna get messy
Just to be clear, the names of the grand jury members are public. They are written right there on page 9 of the indictment.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/documents/1ccdf52e-1ba2-434c-93f8-2a7020293967.pdf
Right, the fact that they dug up their addresses and posted them is the disturbing part. The article, particularly the headline, is misleading.
Of course the info is public but MAGA isn’t reading the indictment. They’ve already been convinced it’s full of lies.
