It was purportedly (and probably in actuality) intended as a survival aid to be used after landings and before recovery in the Siberian wilderness, although allegedly was intended as a defensive weapon against in-space attacks by the US space program.

  • @WhoRoger@lemmy.world
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    7310 months ago

    The attack in space angle was probably just to convince some manager.

    The survival in Siberia is completely valid. US retrieves their astronauts in the ocean, but Soviet Russia didn’t/doesn’t have such a worldwide navy, so Siberia it is. It could take days for the cosmonauts to be recovered, so it was expected they might need to defend themselves against wildlife or even hunt.

    • @BastingChemina@slrpnk.net
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      1310 months ago

      I think every astronaut that embarked in the Soyuz spacecraft had to go through a wilderness survival training.

      I know the french astronaut Thomas Pesquet had to survive a week in Siberian first in winter before embarking on the Soyuz.

  • @mojofrododojo@lemmy.world
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    3110 months ago

    Because space is haunted. And buckshot’s superior spread helps ensure a hit while spinning around in zero-g. Solid slugs would go straight through the soyuz walls, duh.

  • janAkali
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    allegedly was intended as a defensive weapon against in-space attacks by the US space program.

    ??? If it was for in-space attacks, wouldn’t it be more logical to mount a gun outside of ship 😆?

    It was intended as a survival aid for emergency landings. It’s not a shotgun, but a three barrel pistol (but it can shoot both normal rounds and shells). Another interesting detail - it’s buttstock is a folding machete.

    TP-87 was invented by request of A. Leonov after emergency landing of ‘Voshod-2’ where cosmonauts Leonov and Belyaev had to survive 3 days in wild taiga forest for a rescue team to retrieve them.

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      10 months ago

      Why wouldn’t it?

      Ed: the only thing that might not work is gunpowder in vacuum due to lack of oxygen, but gunpowder has oxidiser included, so yes it would.

      • janus2
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        1610 months ago

        I had to look up whether gunpowder requires oxygen to burn (it doesn’t)

        • Sabre363
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          1810 months ago

          Gunpowder does actually require oxygen to burn, it just happens to bring its own oxygen with it.

          • janus2
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            110 months ago

            That’s what I assumed, but why ass-ume when I live in the information age 😁

        • @expatriado@lemmy.world
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          10 months ago

          if it needed oxygen from the air it would have to breathe, the explosion happens inside the barrel before it mixes with the atmosphere

      • @CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world
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        610 months ago

        Heat dissipation is an issue since there’s no air around to cool the barrel, although for this three shot weapon (two shotgun one rifle) it wouldn’t be a problem. This gun is mostly to fend off bears when you land in Siberia.

    • NaibofTabr
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      810 months ago

      Yes, I guess? But firing a gun inside a spacecraft would be a bad idea… and also firing it while spacewalking would be a bad idea unless you were very sure that you were very well braced & tethered.

      • AlwaysNowNeverNotMe
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        You could load it with very small, light, or soft pellets, they don’t need to be very damaging to make a hole in a suit which would be near certainly fatal.

      • kbity
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        410 months ago

        I’d kind of hope everyone would know better than that after the disastrous Apollo I fire.

  • @Rapidcreek@reddthat.com
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    1110 months ago

    Long-time space journalist Jim Oberg called it “a deluxe all-in-one weapon with three barrels and a folding stock that doubles as a shovel and contains a swing-out machete.”

  • SokathHisEyesOpen
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    1010 months ago

    It could also be a handy final solution if you got trapped in space with no chance of rescue or return.

  • @Red_October@lemmy.world
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    910 months ago

    They say it was because their landing in the wilds of Siberia may require defense against wildlife. This is not true. The truth is that they have seen what resides in space, and would not venture into it’s laid unarmed.

      • @riodoro1@lemmy.world
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        110 months ago

        A gunshot wound to the head is also not suicide.

        If however both the gunshot wound and hypoxia are self inflicted then it is suicide, regardless if you pull the trigger or open a valve.

  • @OptimusPhillip@lemmy.world
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    410 months ago

    I can’t seem to read the article, so forgive me if they answer this question, but how would a gun work in space? Most firearms I’m familiar with use oxidation reactions to propel ammunition. Were the shells filled with self-oxidizing propellant, or did they just use a completely different system?

      • @OptimusPhillip@lemmy.world
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        410 months ago

        I guess today is a learning day for all of us! I knew gunpowder contained nitrates, but I didn’t realize that was its purpose, or that it allowed it to work in a vacuum.

    • Cethin
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      710 months ago

      Pretty much anything explosive need to be self oxidizing. If air can’t get in to continue to feed the burning of the material (which never can during an explosion) than the oxygen needs to come from another source.