A foot patrol of the French unit operating within the UNIFIL reserve force came under fire from an Israeli army position while inspecting an earth barrier recently erected by Israeli forces in the Wadi Qatmoun area, on the outskirts of the Lebanese town of Rmeish, according to the National News Agency (NNA).
IDF would shit their pants if they had to face actual modern warfighters. Basically all of their victories are against malfunctional ME militaries and irregular fighters, to say nothing about the base atrocities they are committing against defenseless people.
Hey, they did take on that US Navy ship that one time.
The Liberty was an unarmed naval ship
The people who were really vocal about that are awfully quiet under Trump.
E: how the fuck are people reading this and twist this as some hidden defense of Israel is utterly beyond me. It was a jab at racists’ hypocrisy, that’s all.
They are still pretty vocal. Maybe you do not possess object permanence skills.
I like how liberal pseudo-Zionists will do their best to pretend pro-Palestinians aren’t criticizing the Gaza genocide now because it’d contradict their assumption that all criticism of the Zionist political establishment must come from Russians, trolls or MAGAts.
I don’t think that’s what is meant by that comment.
Back about a decade ago now, the USS Liberty ‘incident’ was a bugaboo of Alex Jones and many other right wing conspiracy theorist types…
…who were correct in that yes, that is a thing that happened, it was basically covered up for decades, and almost no one knew about back in the 00’s and 10’s, and that the Israeli government and AIPAC have a huge amount of influence over US politicians and political discourse generally…
… but were very incorrect in then just slap dashing it into their growing conspiracy centric view of the entire world, which very, very often actually was just anti-semitic generally, utterly oversimplifying and overnarrativizing their understanding of ‘how things actually work’ into insane nonsense.
Fast forward 10 years, and basically all the people that were really concerned about the USS Liberty attack, you know, anti-Israeli government/military… well now they are basically all ardent Trump supporters, they all love violent Israeli genocidal expansionist Zionism, but also somehow simultaneously think Trump is … anti-war or something?
I am of course guessing and cannot read Birch’s mind… but yeah, if you come from a right wing upbringing and then later realized how bs that worldview is, like myself, and possibly like Birch…
It is indeed quite notable how much of a total 180 shift that is, amongst the right wing conspiracy theory types, and I think that is what they are referring to.
I don’t think they are saying that those (mostly liberals, progressives and leftists) who’ve been vocally opposed to the Israeli genocide of Gaza (and everything else its now grown into) in the past few years suddenly changed their opinions about that in the last few months.
Thanks for defending me in such an eloquent way, I was just pointing out that the racist pieces of shit from some years ago who couldnt shut their traps about “the jews” are now all steadfast behind Trump and Israel and their crimes against humanity.
I guess some people just want to see discord where there is none.
I had a hunch, looks like I was basically right.
I… come from a family that’s… well let me just put it this way:
The last time I talked to my dad, I think 3 years ago now at this point, he was fully, fully down the QAnon rabbit hole, told me about how Tom Hanks’ son rapes and kills children, after extracting their adrenochrome… and he then proceeded to show me how he partially mills, taps, and assembles AR 15s and 18s in his garage, having sourced parts that don’t have serial numbers… thats what you call a ghost gun.
He is exactly the kind of person that does these 180 flip flops and … either doesn’t remember he did, or has an elaborate nonsensical excuse/explanation.
I am unfortunately way, way too familiar with basically nearly every right wing conspiracy theory that’s existed in the last 40 years.
… I actually have Jewish cousins, and … yeah, basically since as long as I can remember, he’s made bigoted ‘jokes’ either behind their backs or occasionally even actually at family functions.
My dad is my archetype for MAGA people: an abusive alcoholic narcissist asshole with no friends, who is never wrong, proficient in gaslighting, life didn’t go the way he wanted it to, and it’s all the fault of whoever right wing AM radio/ Fox News/ insane facebook posts and shit tier ‘journalist’ grifters told him to be mad at in the last week.
… thats all probably a bit more info than necessary, but I’m still pretty traumatized from a life time of that, and venting helps lol.
Sorry to hear that and thanks for sharing.
My dad is nowhere near as bad, but I have to helplessly watch how he slides deeper and deeper into the whole magaverse bullshit and drags my mom with him, they used to be open minded and reasonable, well educated people but since they retired they’ve got nothing else to do but read shit on the Internet to be outraged about and watch fascist news. I try to have reasonable conversations with them when visiting, but it gets worse as they get older, like they are not full blown magats or fascists but they say how there’s pedophiles everywhere, communists are about to take over europe and climate change is just a story by some shadowy elite to scam governments and people, and are out to hurt the holy economy. The kicker is that life has gone very well for them, they’re struggling a little in retirement now since they failed to put any money aside other than their basic pensions, so there isn’t even a reason to be this upset. You might call it pearl clutching, but it’s not even that. My dad fled a communist country and built a good life from basically nothing for himself and our family, and now he rants about immigrants who are just trying to do the same. Anyway, also sorry for oversharing.
I just made a comment about racists being hypocrites, which ok, is not exactly clever or very observant, but somehow that got me labelled as a zionist lol.
Sorry to hear you’re in a similar situation with family, but at the same time, happy to hear your story, to commiserate, to have an impromptu therapy session haha.
I guess that’s also a possible interpretation.
There are people who legitimately think (or hsve convinced themselves to think) so, but I guess Birch isn’t necessary one of them.
What the fuck are you talking about?
This argument around here is usually used to criticize pro-Palestinians for not falling in line with the DNC, with the idea being that they’re all MAGAs or Russian trolls who wanted to sow division inside the anti-Trump coalition and don’t actually care about Palestine. If that assumption was true, the number of people in online criticizing the US government’s support of Israel would go down significantly after the election and especially after Trump’s inauguration. Well, at least around here that didn’t happen, but liberal pseudo-Zionists really like to pretend it did because otherwise they’d have to admit they were wrong. Anyway what I’m trying to say is: It might be a good idea to specify that you’re talking about MAGA next time, because otherwise many people here will assume you’re talking about the anti-Zionist left as that’s the overwhelmingly more common version here.
That is way too construed for me, who even thinks like that? I just tried to poke fun at their hypocrisy, apparently I have to specify an allegiance when doing a shit take
Dude, I envy you. I’ve had to balk at the absurdity of this for months now. It’s less of a thing now, but it was really common back when trump was in his Rivera of the Middle East phase. The frequency of dunces being like “why are pro-Palestinians so quite hurr durr” and another guy coming and saying “becuz they’re trolls hurr durr” like an echo chamber only held up by sheer force of will was fucking ridiculous.
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The fuck are you lot on about
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What?
Exactly, this is something lost in propagandizing this as a war and not a genocide, the IDF does not know how to fight a combined arms conflict at infantry level nor are they motivated in a professional military sense, they have just been practicing genocide with very expensive machines of war and dropping an incomprehensible amount of bombs in a shockingly tiny area which I would imagine among other things makes you poorly mentally equipped with no mental plasticity to handle the speed and lethality of a motivated, near-peer opposing military that isn’t already conveniently contained within an open air prison.
This is going to end very badly for jews and people in general living in Israel, which among other reasons (obviously) is why the Palestinian Genocide is catastrophic.
Like without the infinite arms supply and backing of US air power dominance, an IDF brigade in Ukraine would get steamrolled by the Ukranians or the Russians for that matter.
https://indi.ca/israel-has-already-lost/
They are using F-35s armed with half-million dollar bunker-busters against men armed with cheap AKs and sandals that also hide behind children inside hospitals, so when they inevitably die by a strike, they can blame the other for being inhumane monsters.
(Evidence for resistance fighters hiding behind hospitals missing)
Please explain to me, because I’m dumb, why are Israelis bombing hospitals and schools then?
I am legit dumb and ignorant and wish to learn; and I am not trying to troll here, I am genuinely asking you to explain why resistance fighters are hiding behind hostages?
Theyre trying to destroy all infrastructure so the civillians they dont kill flee instead, Ethnic cleansing uses genocide and displacement to acheive its goals. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nakba this has being going on since the forties.
I did not know about the Naqba. Thank you for the wiki link!
The IDF is bombing schools and hospitals because they’re carrying out a genocide.
Resistance fighters aren’t hiding behind hostages, that’s unchecked libel. In fact Israel has demonstrated repeatedly that it is willing to kill it’s own people to kill resistance fighters.
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Because hospitals keep Palestinians alive and schools teach Palestinians about the crimes against humanity Israel has been committing for almost 80 years.
Also, they generally want to destroy everything resembling Palestinian societal infrastructure and culture, so such vital institutions are amongst their favorite targets.
Because Israel is committing genocide against civilians not resistance fighters.
I don’t think this is true, otherwise i could ask: so why don’t they simply napalm the entire refugee camps they forced most of Gaza into? Because so far they aren’t completely wiping refugee camps just targeting insurgent operations within them
Committing a full blown genocide in one night is not going to work. They already study this shit. You have to do gradually and with in a tolerance because the world is now watching. At the beginning when they didnt have numbers, they will genocide a full villages and build on graves. You can find these information in wikipedea. Now days with cameras every where they calculate how many they can kill daily where they can have a long case saying we didnt genocide people.
This is to answer your question, but you also need to keep in mind what a genocide is. Erasing culture and identity is part of it which they do by replacing olive farms with pine trees on top of destroyed villages, or claiming a Palestinian cuisine as their own, or reducing the representation of Palestinian in pop culture. Targeting painters, poets, scientist, destroying children live by taking them hostages in prisons, and abusing them so they come out with lack of self identity and broken mentality.
You have to read about their history and the systematic genocide they are committing if you really care about known why and whats going on.
If they were doing a genocide, why would they care if the world was watching though? Why care at all what anyone else thought if they were committing to deleting a culture off the planet?
You sound like a Q-Anon conspiracy theory nutjob.
I need more from you, like a news article or factual Wikipedia article or literally anything with substance because i am having trouble believing anything anyone says at face value on the internet.
You need more from me for what exactly ? I dont need to gave you shit. If you care you can look for that yourself and if you dont then no point of getting you anything.
People with access to google, Wikipedia, free AI, tv, youtube, news website, UN website, government reports, and year an half of daily murder of kids, women, press and doctors , and then ask me to gave you more?
What next? Reading for you to sleep?
Wtf
You just claimed that Hamas hides behind children in hospitals backed up but fucked all and you never provided anything. And no, asking questions is not a response to it. So your note in any position tho make demands like that.
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Fair point.
“Riddle me this: Why are they killing them slowly if they want them dead?”
Why are they cutting off food and water to starve every Palestinian in Gaza then?
Because Hamas is stealing it all to feed themselves, not distributing it to civilians, and leverage it to continue fighting by feeding only their fighters and their own families.
UN aid workers distributing the food say this claim is false. Why are you uncritically repeating Israeli propaganda?
Simply because they know it’s not something they could get away with. They’re smart enough though to have people like you believe that’s not what they want, I’ll give’em that. What they’re after is what they think they can achieve, which is to ethnically cleanse Gaza and the West Bank altogether and push the Palestinians out, and they’re using what hamas did and whatever lies they spiced up on October 7th as an excuse. The world is watching, and that’s the only thing stopping them from doing what they had done many times back when technology wasn’t there to show their horrific crimes over the past 80 years…
Because that is how you get them to leave.
I don’t know how to break this to you, but genuine good guys don’t hold innocent people as hostages and unnecessarily risk innocent lives; freedom fighters protect who they fight for. Please help me change my mind, I’m being serious.
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Which is exactly what Israel is doing.
No. You clearly aren’t. Stop pretending you’re not a willfully blind Hasbarist.
Israel is also holding hostages? I did not know that. Please link me a news article covering this.
Yes I am being serious about asking you to help me out with my ignorance. I don’t even know what the fuck are Hasbarist is.
For someone pleading ignorance, you sure as hell know a lot of pro-Israel talking points. Being misinformed and spreading misinformation is NOT the same thing as being uninformed.
Hasbara is Hebrew for “explanation” and also the colloquial term for pro-Israel apologia amongst Hasbarists.
Hasbarists are the people who spread those lies.
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How is that relevant to the fact that Israelis love blowing up hospitals and schools?
Looks like I’ve been basing my opinions on Hollywood action films, thinking good guys don’t take hostages.
I’ll ask again: how is that relevant to the fact that Israelis love blowing up hospitals and schools?
They aren’t good guys, but Israel is literally evil when they murder innocents when there is no justifiable threat. I don’t know what indoctrination convinced you that tens of thousands of innocent civilians is a justifiable cost. None of this defendable.
I’m not sure where you read that I’m defending Israel, because that was not my intention.
Ya, they also have a massive wall and complex defense systems to take down missile. There is literally no threat. It’s almost like it’s just an excuse to kill civilians.