I don’t know where this conspiracy theory comes from. Property taxes aren’t a rent, but a service fee. Government need money to pay for road, police, hospital, school, culture and everything making your property worth something.
Nobody is disputing the need for taxes or what their purpose is. The issue is that taxing a homestead is effectively a lease, even if not written as such.
It also begs the question, why are you being taxed more than me? We use the same roads, schools and services. Yet assuming you’re a homeowner you’re paying more for the same shit.
I’m just trying to point out that it’s stupid to tax some people and not others for “roads, services etc” and then when that select group of people fail to pay, they have their home taken away. Meanwhile the people who are not taxed, still get to use those same things.
i.e. Taxing property is fucking stupid. We should just tax everyone across the board.
But somehow I’m the lunatic when bringing this to light.
In that case though you own the property, however the government or courts can attach a lien to the property IF you fail to pay taxes as part of your dues to society for things like roads and schools.
Don’t like paying for such things? Go find some rock in the middle of nowhere and make your own way outside of the bounds of an established nation and provide for everything yourself.
I mean, they might be very strong. So strong in fact that others may wish to come join on their rock. Perhaps for their strength these newcomers could make some payment to them to help defray the costs of protecting their space and providing services…
Paying taxes is different than paying to own. It is one way that money is collected to pay for common needs like roads, parks, and schools and is more consistent than income or other taxation because we know how much land exists.
I guess a dollar amount could just be expected from every single person regardless of circumstance. Would that be better?
I guess a dollar amount could just be expected from every single person regardless of circumstance. Would that be better?
Yes, that would make far more sense to me than tying it to something arbitrary like land.
Failure to pay should not result in homelessness. Especially after a lifetime to paying for said home.
If you’ve lived in the house after a lifetime, you’d either have to be extremely behind in taxes, have not maintained the house, or both, for it to be a complete loss.
I’m not sure where you are, but typically even if you rent rather than owning you pay the normal taxes, either directy or via your landlord, so they have little to do with owning a property, and more to do with occupying one, as a proxy for the demands you put on communal services. In most places you would also not lose your home for not paying them, you’d get dragged through the courts, possibly jailed for some period, and the tax authority in question would just end up with a lien on the property, entutling them to recompense when you sold or refinanced it.
I’m not discounting the possibility you live sonewhere with different property tax laws, but you’ve been making extremely broad and general statements that don’t match reality in many places.
How does one account for maintenance costs with this view? Even barring taxes, you may have to pay for upkeep either in materials or contracting out services to assist in maintenance.
The big one of course is home ownership, despite having to pay the government for the rest of your life.
I don’t know where this conspiracy theory comes from. Property taxes aren’t a rent, but a service fee. Government need money to pay for road, police, hospital, school, culture and everything making your property worth something.
Nobody is disputing the need for taxes or what their purpose is. The issue is that taxing a homestead is effectively a lease, even if not written as such.
It also begs the question, why are you being taxed more than me? We use the same roads, schools and services. Yet assuming you’re a homeowner you’re paying more for the same shit.
Is it a question of not understanding or not accepting?
Indeed, you are not understanding. I do not own or rent a home. So again I ask, why are you paying more taxes than me?
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I’m just trying to point out that it’s stupid to tax some people and not others for “roads, services etc” and then when that select group of people fail to pay, they have their home taken away. Meanwhile the people who are not taxed, still get to use those same things.
i.e. Taxing property is fucking stupid. We should just tax everyone across the board.
But somehow I’m the lunatic when bringing this to light.
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Anyone who doesn’t rent or own a home does not pay property tax (indirectly or directly). Thus, they are paying less taxes overall.
At least in Germany, the communal tax related to the house (Grundsteuer) is payed indirectly from the tenants via the landlord.
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I feel like I’m back on reddit again…
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Company pay taxes too.
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Never because they don’t decide how the company operates?
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Just so that I understand the question, are you asking why a shareholder has to pay property tax for the company?
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In that case though you own the property, however the government or courts can attach a lien to the property IF you fail to pay taxes as part of your dues to society for things like roads and schools.
Don’t like paying for such things? Go find some rock in the middle of nowhere and make your own way outside of the bounds of an established nation and provide for everything yourself.
And hope that someone stronger than you doesn’t want your rock. Or pay someone to guard your rock from stronger people.
Also, no schools or utilities will be accessible from your rock. Have fun growing food on your rock.
I mean, they might be very strong. So strong in fact that others may wish to come join on their rock. Perhaps for their strength these newcomers could make some payment to them to help defray the costs of protecting their space and providing services…
Needing to pay for gas doesn’t mean you don’t own your car.
The government taking things away under certain circumstances doesn’t mean you don’t own the things.
Having to continue to pay for something that you “own” does not sound like ownership to many people.
Paying taxes is different than paying to own. It is one way that money is collected to pay for common needs like roads, parks, and schools and is more consistent than income or other taxation because we know how much land exists.
I guess a dollar amount could just be expected from every single person regardless of circumstance. Would that be better?
Yes, that would make far more sense to me than tying it to something arbitrary like land. Failure to pay should not result in homelessness. Especially after a lifetime to paying for said home.
If you’re behind $1000 in taxes for a $250000 house doesn’t mean the government takes your whole house and you get nothing.
They typically sell it at auction and you get the leftovers.
https://www.michigan.gov/taxes/property/forfeiture-foreclosure
If you’ve lived in the house after a lifetime, you’d either have to be extremely behind in taxes, have not maintained the house, or both, for it to be a complete loss.
And that seems fair to you?
I’m not sure where you are, but typically even if you rent rather than owning you pay the normal taxes, either directy or via your landlord, so they have little to do with owning a property, and more to do with occupying one, as a proxy for the demands you put on communal services. In most places you would also not lose your home for not paying them, you’d get dragged through the courts, possibly jailed for some period, and the tax authority in question would just end up with a lien on the property, entutling them to recompense when you sold or refinanced it.
I’m not discounting the possibility you live sonewhere with different property tax laws, but you’ve been making extremely broad and general statements that don’t match reality in many places.
How does one account for maintenance costs with this view? Even barring taxes, you may have to pay for upkeep either in materials or contracting out services to assist in maintenance.