True, but it also reminds us what happens when someone on Lemmy gets downvoted, reported and banned for having their own valud standpoint, which is not accepted by the majority of us.
We should keep in mind that we are prone to making the same mistake.
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
Does it though? Seems to me that we just end up with two echo chamber communities where there’s no cross pollination of ideas and no challenges to our viewpoints. It’s good that people still have a place to interact but self segregation along ideological lines isn’t healthy for anyone over the long term.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
I wouldn’t call .ml and hexbear or similar as broadening your horizon, it’s a very insular community that does not allow dissent. And often resemble their conservative counterparts.
How so? I’m having to go out of my way to find and engage with people who have alternate viewpoints & lifestyles because they tend to get pushed out of / banned from “regular” communities. That’s the exact problem being discussed here.
In the broader context of the meme itself people start thinking they are in the majority because they are participating in online communities that have been carefully curated over time to silence anyone who disagrees.
In what way do you have to ‘go out of your way’ to interact with ml or hex?
Are… they not federated with your instance?
If yes, they’re not federated, then you did that to yourself, by joining an instance that doesn’t show their posts and communities to you.
If no, they are federated… then just sort set your feed from local to global, and you’ll see their posts in their communities pop up.
… The entire point of the federation model is to allow each user to determine … basically how much of a bubble they want to be in.
You may determine a whole instance is full of nutcases in a bubble, and avoid them… or you may not think that, and retain the ability to interact with them.
Generally speaking… you can pretty much join whatever instance you want, and in so doing, you are accepting the instances that are federated with your own instance, and rejecting the instances your instance admins have defederated from.
Piefed has a feature where there are collection of communities, so you dont have to chose if you dont want to. Its very nice: https://piefed.social/topic/tech
The 196 community didn’t like the rule that forced them to repsect a troll that was using the gender “dragonfucker” to mock and invalidate real gender identities and sexualities.
Instead of banning a single troll they banned dozens of users off the most popular community on blahaj and triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
I am still convinced ‘Drag’ legitimately has dissociative identity disorder and isn’t a troll in the sense of … ‘i am in full control of my faculties and choose to act as caricature to sew sow chaos’…
That happened to some people in a community I used to run then I moved it to !news_summary@hilariouschaos.com where the rules are different. We are decentralised so if people get censored in one place they can move to another. The fediverse is a true embodiment of freedom and the marketplace of ideas.
I’m banned from about 180 subs because a mod here decided he didn’t like my version of reality.
Everytime I post and I’m told I’m banned from whatever community I never posted in before I block that sub.
Why would I want any part of a sub that blindly and aggressively censors opinions they don’t agree with? That would be stupid, so I leave them to their bubble
Lemmy and any social media platform that bans or censors because the post or comment contradicts the majority is wrong. By majority I mean those using that specific social media platform. In many cases that majority opinion is actually NOT the majority opinion of society as a whole.
If you are looking for closed communities like conservatives and ml then yea they don’t allow much disagreement against them. They are there because reddit banned them at some point for the same thing
True, but it also reminds us what happens when someone on Lemmy gets downvoted, reported and banned for having their own valud standpoint, which is not accepted by the majority of us.
We should keep in mind that we are prone to making the same mistake.
We are, but at the same time having parallel communities helps with that
!world@lemmy.world mods are regularly featured in !yepowertrippinbastards@lemmy.dbzer0.com , which leads more and more people to alternatives like !world@quokk.au
Does it though? Seems to me that we just end up with two echo chamber communities where there’s no cross pollination of ideas and no challenges to our viewpoints. It’s good that people still have a place to interact but self segregation along ideological lines isn’t healthy for anyone over the long term.
As an example it’s why I’m still subscribed to communities over on .ml. They challenge my base reality and expose me to viewpoints that I wouldn’t consider on my own.
So it’s working?
I wouldn’t call .ml and hexbear or similar as broadening your horizon, it’s a very insular community that does not allow dissent. And often resemble their conservative counterparts.
How so? I’m having to go out of my way to find and engage with people who have alternate viewpoints & lifestyles because they tend to get pushed out of / banned from “regular” communities. That’s the exact problem being discussed here.
In the broader context of the meme itself people start thinking they are in the majority because they are participating in online communities that have been carefully curated over time to silence anyone who disagrees.
In what way do you have to ‘go out of your way’ to interact with ml or hex?
Are… they not federated with your instance?
If yes, they’re not federated, then you did that to yourself, by joining an instance that doesn’t show their posts and communities to you.
If no, they are federated… then just sort set your feed from local to global, and you’ll see their posts in their communities pop up.
… The entire point of the federation model is to allow each user to determine … basically how much of a bubble they want to be in.
You may determine a whole instance is full of nutcases in a bubble, and avoid them… or you may not think that, and retain the ability to interact with them.
Generally speaking… you can pretty much join whatever instance you want, and in so doing, you are accepting the instances that are federated with your own instance, and rejecting the instances your instance admins have defederated from.
You can always join (or even create) a different instance that federates in a way more aligned with your values.
People say that but if you’re not a tech bro good fucking luck figuring out how the hell to create an instance.
Piefed has a feature where there are collection of communities, so you dont have to chose if you dont want to. Its very nice: https://piefed.social/topic/tech
Pifed is amazing besides the lack of apps.
I wonder what percentage of your comments are about pushing people off of LW.
LW mods generally don’t have more than one major community. It’s not a rule, but we have made a bit of an effort to avoid reddit-style supermods.
But yeah, sure, keep pushing an agenda while !world@lemmy.world is featured in YPTB every week:
Same mod on
So what? At least they’re not tankies.
You realize that is a textbook ‘whataboutism’, right?
I think that is their main feature. To cut off the fringes of leftism and socialist ideas so it has a nice round and smooth bottom
Framing the Overton Window.
A feature for some, an anti-feature for others.
Lmao it’s like the ancient https://www.reddit.com/r/KarmaCourt/ except real, i love it
Enjoy, lot of things happening there
In many ways Lemmy is so much worse the echo chamber than Reddit ever was.
A leftist/socialist/communist/Linux echo chamber is always better than a liberal one.
@ me
Have you been in reddit lately, not even close
Happened to a ton of trans people on .blahaj
The 196 community didn’t like the rule that forced them to repsect a troll that was using the gender “dragonfucker” to mock and invalidate real gender identities and sexualities.
Instead of banning a single troll they banned dozens of users off the most popular community on blahaj and triggered the community to make a 196 community on .world
I am still convinced ‘Drag’ legitimately has dissociative identity disorder and isn’t a troll in the sense of … ‘i am in full control of my faculties and choose to act as caricature to
sewsow chaos’…But yeah, that whole… thing… was fucking bonkers.
Triggered the mods to try to move the community to .world without even asking the community members first
https://lemmy.cafe/post/12094663?scrollToComments=true
That happened to some people in a community I used to run then I moved it to !news_summary@hilariouschaos.com where the rules are different. We are decentralised so if people get censored in one place they can move to another. The fediverse is a true embodiment of freedom and the marketplace of ideas.
I’m banned from about 180 subs because a mod here decided he didn’t like my version of reality.
Everytime I post and I’m told I’m banned from whatever community I never posted in before I block that sub.
Why would I want any part of a sub that blindly and aggressively censors opinions they don’t agree with? That would be stupid, so I leave them to their bubble
What’s your version of reality?
Lemmy and any social media platform that bans or censors because the post or comment contradicts the majority is wrong. By majority I mean those using that specific social media platform. In many cases that majority opinion is actually NOT the majority opinion of society as a whole.
In many cases on social media the “majority” opinion is crafted by external entities.
Except for Luigi. They couldn’t control that one.
If you are looking for closed communities like conservatives and ml then yea they don’t allow much disagreement against them. They are there because reddit banned them at some point for the same thing