They way she phrased that she’s obviously a piece of shit but is standing in corner really considered abusive? That was probably the lightest punishment I got as kid.
What purpose does it serve and what do you do if the child refuses? The implication is that if you don’t stand in the corner I’ll do something worse, is it not? And the purpose seems like it’s just an expression of authority over the child it’s not going to help them understand why they’re being punished
I don’t know shit about children and I have no education in the matter. It sounded like a good rule of thumb to me that if you don’t address the feelings and frustrations of a misbehavior child and give them an alternative method of expression then they’re either going to get more clever or more withdrawn. I suppose you can’t go “how do you feel?” as they try to carve into the wall with a knife, so it’s like a flowchart of
stop them from being a problem -> give them a space to cool down (preferably one that is soothing to the senses) -> ask them about what made them feel the need to lash out -> put them in BJJ classes -> start them watching One Piece
I’m not sure about the last two steps, honestly (they might need to be the first two steps).
That’s insight into one moment of the shooter’s whole life. Who knows what else they went through. He had “developmental delays and special needs” and his mom kidnapped him and took him to Norway when he was 11, according to New York Post.
That said, shaming a child isn’t a very effective way to correct behavior or make them a well-adjusted adult. I did not benefit at all from being shamed, and now I shame myself internally as a habit, though I’m working on that :')
People with good self esteem don’t throw their life away by mass murdering innocents. From what I’ve read, the communities that urge their members to do RW terrorism do so by convincing them that their life has no worth and they “might as well” go out in “glory”. I’d rather inoculate my theoretical children from that, and instilling guilt just makes it easier to break them down.
I think the weirdness has less to do with the punishment itself and more to do with how it has the exact same cadence as boomers talking about why it’s okay to hit kids. Plus, you know, she raised a school shooter.
I just assumed a bout of spanking or hitting was implied as well. These boomer memes tend to lean that way, after all.
Giving a child a five minute time out is not fucking child abuse people it’s one of the mildest things you can do.
I don’t think it’s the 5 minutes so much as it’s the making a kid stand in a corner facing the wall. I’m not sure if that constitutes “child abuse” but I’d never make a kid do that. Pull a kid away from what they’re doing when they’re misbehaving sure, make them sit out for a bit, but I don’t think creating a shame corner is very healthy
I think that besides all that its also a… weird suggestion? ‘Go to the shame corner and look at the wall!’ sounds like something an alien would say when managing children. It comes across to me that they’re not actually engaging with a discussion about permissive parenting, they’re defending a specific practice which they think is legitimate. Without stopping and thinking about whether it makes sense.
I can imagine some hyperactive children I know hating the silence corner for all of 5 minutes before they forget it was even a thing. But the parents I know wouldn’t even think of using it. They’d retract phone/toy/game privileges instead.
Yeah, it’s a humiliation ritual.
It’s really too bad, because forcing a child to stop and think is actually really good and healthy. It’s just been combined with this toxic and vindictive punishment mindset that treats children as animals that need to be trained.
What is it with this website and shit takes recently?
It’s a pointless regressive punishment that doesn’t solve anything other than to shame the child and not actually understand or teach anything useful. Yeah wouldn’t call it abuse its just backwards and completely useless at doing what its supposed to do. You could ynow try TALKING to the child who is also a sentient lifeform capable of reasoning.
Anyway the post is about how these arcane punishments didn’t stop the school shooter doing ynow the shooting…
Hate this site
YOU are implying that a person became a school shooter because they were abused. You can kindly fuck right the hell off.
Besides that point, nobody out here giving time outs isn’t also talking to their child about what they did wrong.
nobody out here giving time outs isn’t also talking to their child
this is such a silly position to hold when it’s obviously impossible to back up. plenty of people use time-outs to mean “get the fuck out of my face i don’t want to deal with you.” idk why you believe otherwise, lots of people are shit parents.
YOU are implying that a person became a school shooter because they were abused. You can kindly fuck right the hell off.
forced isolation isn’t an effective punishment and while definitions of abuse vary you are saying yourself that it requires additional conversation.
I’ll ask you these questions as well: What purpose does forced isolation serve?
What’s an appropriate response to a child who will not go to or stay in the corner voluntarily?
nobody out here giving time outs isn’t also talking to their child about what they did wrong.
You are fortunate to only know great parents, i suppose
I think there was an exodus from reddit so Lemmy gets the lovely reddit opinions now 🙃
There’s a difference between giving a child a time out which is the mildest of the corporal punishments a parent can give, and posting about how good it is to give a child a time out on social media.
Especially when you’re basically telling people “put your kids in time out, or I’ll put them in solitary”
Even worse, his mother was a school resource officer. They let someone who raised a Nazi school shooter, who openly advocated for child abuse at least at this level on social media, to be in charge of surveilling and punishing children. Just a demonic country.
And when a school shooter like their kid ends up showing up to class with an ar-15 their ass is running in the opposite direction.
lol ofc the cop is also an abusive, shitty parent. Wouldn’t surprise me at all if she physically abused the shooter while treating him as though he’s her personal property.
God they’re so pretentious, and then go and make the normal reaction to their smuggery proof of how right they are.
: “I know I’m going to offend the stupids…but my favorite color is RED! (For all the butthurt losers who are mad….muh freeze peach!)”Video (9:25): What to do instead of forced isolation (time out)
Just a related video that I saved a while back. Tl;dw is that time outs are not an effective discipline
Wow, great video. I’m never around children and never going to have children, but it was genuinely fascinating.
I’m glad you liked it. I also think parenting theory is interesting in a way similar to Marxist theory. It trains us not only to question our norms, but to realize that they were norms at all — and therefore questionable!
As an aside, I think ageism against children is an understudied area of Marxist theory… if it’s been addressed at all. The patriarchal character of the modern family has been criticized extensively, but only from a feminist angle. There isn’t much advocacy for the rights of children because it is generally accepted that they are unequal members of the family. It is true that children are less developed than adults, but they still deserve more autonomy than is the norm today. The adoption industry is one of the worst examples of this.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Florida_State_University_shooting
One student recounted how another student who had survived the Parkland high school shooting sheltered with them and exclaimed; “Man, I never thought this would happen again”.[14]
Don’t be so hard on the fascist cop lady or her son. He just murdered and injured poor people. It isn’t like he killed a wealthy white CEO. He’s a right-wing lunatic. Maybe he’ll get the Rittenhouse treatment.
her method clearly worked well on her children.
Free speech means you can’t be mad at me when I say heinous7s things
Tbf this is only heinous if she posted after finding out about her son. And after seeing all the Minecraft movie shenanigans, I kinda agree with picture. A lot of kids need more discipline than they are currently receiving.
But that free speech part is always used by right winged idiots who think there should be no consequences for what they say, legal or societal. Not realizing other people are free to say she is a disgusting POS who raised another disgusting POS and should be sterilized for the good of society.
Well, looks like you got 25 to Life instead!
Is it that we live in a dehumanising system that breaks people and lets children in unfortunate circumstances only have more unfortunater circumstances and leading them to embrace extremist violence because their shitty lives with little to no assistance isn’t magically getting better in a society that doesn’t give two shits and a multitude of similar factors including radical atomisation leads people to lose their mind and sense of proportionality or rationality?
No, it’s because we don’t punish the children enough.
Since so many commenters can’t seem to imagine it: children don’t need punishment. I never got “disciplined” at home. No physical punishment, no time out. And I never hurt anybody, wasn’t a bully, always had a trusting relationship with my parents. Things weren’t perfect, far from it, but punishment or making children feel bad on purpose were not what was missing. Those have been scientifically proven to be counterproductive. To many people cling to them, because they’re what they experienced and they never learned how to actually talk to children instead and maybe even help them work through their emotions (actually that last part kind of was missing in my case, but that’s beside the point). That video posted in the other comment explains it well.
They cling to those wrongheaded ideas because religious zealots still ardently push them, despite being the source of trauma to millions. Religion is child abuse, and abusers love religion.
