• mindbleach@sh.itjust.works
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    5 days ago

    Easily the most grating excuse. ‘It’s never been tried!’ But they tried to try. Then what happened?

    These same people will point to capitalist democracies failing after a century or two, and say, ah-HAH, this inevitable endpoint disproves the entire philosophy! Does this pragmatic analysis apply to what happens in places they like? Does it fuck.

    Listen, it’s not like liberal democracy gets a pass. Arguing for a republic must have been a right bitch when the only clear example was Oliver Cromwell’s fumbling efforts to not be a king. Even after the American revolution went pretty well, the French tripped on their own dicks, straight into a row of guillotines. Government is hard because people are bastards. No safety in anarchy, either, since communes tend to get rolled by the nearest power structure.

    There is no system that can’t be spoiled by a big enough asshole.

    • ArcaneSlime@lemmy.dbzer0.com
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      4 days ago

      I’d argue that while the “end goal” has “never been achieved,” that doesn’t mean it hasn’t been tried. They tried it, and they failed before they got to the end stage, every time, typically stopping in autocracy and not progressing further for some strange reason. But by trying to reach that end goal in the first place, by definition you’ve tried.

      Like if you try to dunk a basketball but break an ankle before you even get off the ground, you still were trying to dunk, you can’t claim after that it only counts as a “trial” if you touch the rim just because you’re embarassed.